Vista FUD
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Many apologies for my misinterpretation. :-O The information of what's new in Vista has been so widely available, at so many different outlets, in so many different forms, and for such a long time now, that I hope you can understand that I thought you were putting forth argument, rather than simply seeking information.
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No biggie. :) It's kinda like the Wiki that Ryan pointed me to. There's a ton of incremental improvements, without a doubt. However, to install Vista I really need to buy a new box as I have to count on my other machines to be up and can't afford to experiment with them. So, I was looking for that new Killer App feature. The speech recognition seems pretty cool. I just don't know if it's enough to pry my wallet out of my pocket for a new box just yet. Heaven knows the temptation is there. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Vista appears to be a large collection of cool, but small, enhancements rather than something which brings anything major and new to the party.
That must be just a sincere request for information, right?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Nope. That's my perception based on looking at the wiki he pointed me to. Still looking for a fight, are we? :)
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I'd go even further...
/. is not a good place'--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
Agreed, but where is a good place? I've been looking at Digg for months, but it's now turning into the same rot that /. is.
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I am so tired of reading negative reviews of Vista by self-proclaimed "experts" who say that Vista is nothing but a new UI slapped onto XP. The ignorance demonstrated by such a view is just too much for me to bear. :sigh: And this type of nonsense is very frequently perpetrated by people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers. Comparisons to OS X really get my goat when people point out that OS X was there first. Is Microsoft just supposed to close up shop and go away because OS X had some of these features first? When people point out that OS X had some of these features first, I just feel like saying, "Yeah, and what's your point?"
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Richie308 wrote:
...people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers.
Just because one is an enthusiast or a gamers does not also imply that they are an expert on Vista.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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Nope. That's my perception based on looking at the wiki he pointed me to. Still looking for a fight, are we? :)
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[honesty] As I said, the info about Vista has been so readily available for so long, that your "sincere request" for information can only be interpreted as willing ignorance. [/honesty]
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I just don't turn my computer on, it is safer that way. ;)
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkAbstinence, eh?
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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I'd go even further...
/. is not a good place'--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
That can be further optimised to:
./ is notThen you can just insert your own ending.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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Richie308 wrote:
...people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers.
Just because one is an enthusiast or a gamers does not also imply that they are an expert on Vista.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
Indeed, most of the enthusiasts and gamers I know are as thick as two bits when it comes to computers in the real world. What's that saying? A little computer knowledge is a dangerous thing... I love Vista. It allows me to restrict the damage they can do by themselves. No more having to add "sexy desktop" and "registry tweak" to their firewall's block list.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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[honesty] As I said, the info about Vista has been so readily available for so long, that your "sincere request" for information can only be interpreted as willing ignorance. [/honesty]
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP.
Same here. I was on Windows 2000 up until about 18 months ago.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
I'm sorry, I was set on a hair trigger. I completely lost sight of the fact that other people have their own priorities, lives, and points of view. I admit I was looking for a debate, but I do not wish to have a fight. I apologize for accusing you of insincerity, and I did not mean to make it personal.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I'm sorry, I was set on a hair trigger. I completely lost sight of the fact that other people have their own priorities, lives, and points of view. I admit I was looking for a debate, but I do not wish to have a fight. I apologize for accusing you of insincerity, and I did not mean to make it personal.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
No harm done, man. :) Besides, show me a techie who isn't passionate about these things and I'll show you someone who does inferior work! :-D
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I just don't turn my computer on, it is safer that way. ;)
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today
I think you are doing fine.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Exactly. Yes a bunch of cool nice things to have but the cost versus impact in my enviroment, has not been shown. .... Naw skip the example it will be misinterpreted.
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Or the features they blatantly stole from Eniac!
-- Verletzen zerfetzen zersetzen zerstören Doch es darf nicht mir gehören Ich muss zerstören
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I am so tired of reading negative reviews of Vista by self-proclaimed "experts" who say that Vista is nothing but a new UI slapped onto XP. The ignorance demonstrated by such a view is just too much for me to bear. :sigh: And this type of nonsense is very frequently perpetrated by people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers. Comparisons to OS X really get my goat when people point out that OS X was there first. Is Microsoft just supposed to close up shop and go away because OS X had some of these features first? When people point out that OS X had some of these features first, I just feel like saying, "Yeah, and what's your point?"
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
I'm getting tired of people getting tired. Build a bridge and get over it. ~Chris Maunder
This statement was never false.
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP.
Hah! I just recently (two weeks ago) bought XP. All of my boxes at home are still 2000 or Fedora. Haven't messed with RD, ought to try it out I guess. But I agree with you. The main reason for me for getting XP was that they might stop selling it, and I need it for a couple of programs. Like Age Of Empires III. And that'll probably be the reason I move to Vista at all, to see some cool DX 10 apps run. But it won't be til this summer or even next winter if not next year or two.
This statement was never false.
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Richie308 wrote:
I am so tired of reading negative reviews of Vista by self-proclaimed "experts" who say that Vista is nothing but a new UI slapped onto XP. The ignorance demonstrated by such a view is just too much for me to bear.
They are the same people complaining about XP when XP first came out, telling everyone to avoid replacing windows 98 (and laughing at anyone who actually had ME) until XP SP1 came out. They were the same people telling people to switch to classic view because the "shiny new interface" is too slow and confusing and pretty==bad anyhow. From skeptic, to critic, to media, a lot of the same names appear at the OS releases to bash it. Windows 3.0 was copied from Mac, ME was copied again from Mac, and XP was once again copied from Mac, and thus Vista is yet again copied from Mac. If only people would get a Mac and then demand the software companies to support all the software they are used to running on a Mac all would be fine. :confused: if only what? hmmmm.... I like Aero, not because it is shiny and new, but because, FRACK, it is about time they finally got a 3D accelerated interface!! Well they copied it from the Mac... no, it was also about time Mac finally did it also. Both have been monumentally overdue for this type of upgrade. Both have been discussing how to make the changes for years. No big secret for either company. I've been watching 3D technology demonstrations from accelerated desktop technology to 3D accelerated adobe PDF and Flash tools. It is about time for those too. :) I am a 3D graphics lobbiest, I want 3D accelerations in all visible parts of a computer operation as well as somehow increasing benefits to all career fields. I haven't quite figured out how 3D graphics can help the chili pickers... but I am sleeping on it nibbling at some ideas... ;) -- modified at 12:15 Thursday 8th February, 2007
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
In many cases, the price tag is also a factor. Many people really want to know what Vista brings for the $350. In India, it is as costly as an average home PC. If the answer is UAC and a 3D accelerated desktop, there will be a lot of people running XP at home for quite some time. As someone suggested in a post above, they will most likely wait until they buy a new PC. Chances are that most home users, other than the techie types, have not paid much attention to Vista at all. Thomas
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In many cases, the price tag is also a factor. Many people really want to know what Vista brings for the $350. In India, it is as costly as an average home PC. If the answer is UAC and a 3D accelerated desktop, there will be a lot of people running XP at home for quite some time. As someone suggested in a post above, they will most likely wait until they buy a new PC. Chances are that most home users, other than the techie types, have not paid much attention to Vista at all. Thomas
Thomas George wrote:
there will be a lot of people running XP at home for quite some time
very true, but as a developer, I really don't have much of a choice. Just as with Dual core, if I am not leading the market as a developer, then I am falling behind and failing my users.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
