Vista FUD
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Ahh, a voice of sanity. We now return you to your originally scheduled Lounge posts.
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Richie308 wrote:
a voice of sanity
let's not stretch it toooo far. ;) I have to have a bit of insanity to work here. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
things I can't currently do on my XP boxes.
This argument is getting tired also. What can you do with a modern automobile that you can't do with one from the 50's? The one from the 50's accelerates, stops, and turns. Can a modern car do more than that? No, a modern car does basically what a car from the 50's can do. Does this mean a modern car is not a better alternative than one from the 50's?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Richie308 wrote:
This argument is getting tired also.
Unless you're simply looking for someone to fight with, I'm not sure which part of what I said qualifies as an argument. It was a sincere question.
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They could probably bind that into a fair sized book. Not really a concise list of major new features, but in fairness I don't think there are very many of those. Vista appears to be a large collection of cool, but small, enhancements rather than something which brings anything major and new to the party. Like everyone else, I'll eventually buy a Vista box. I think the thing I'm most curious about is how usable the speech recognition is. I've been talking to my computer for years. It would be nice if it could offer the appropriate response. :)
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Richie308 wrote:
This argument is getting tired also.
Unless you're simply looking for someone to fight with, I'm not sure which part of what I said qualifies as an argument. It was a sincere question.
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Many apologies for my misinterpretation. :-O The information of what's new in Vista has been so widely available, at so many different outlets, in so many different forms, and for such a long time now, that I hope you can understand that I thought you were putting forth argument, rather than simply seeking information.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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They could probably bind that into a fair sized book. Not really a concise list of major new features, but in fairness I don't think there are very many of those. Vista appears to be a large collection of cool, but small, enhancements rather than something which brings anything major and new to the party. Like everyone else, I'll eventually buy a Vista box. I think the thing I'm most curious about is how usable the speech recognition is. I've been talking to my computer for years. It would be nice if it could offer the appropriate response. :)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Vista appears to be a large collection of cool, but small, enhancements rather than something which brings anything major and new to the party.
That must be just a sincere request for information, right?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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Many apologies for my misinterpretation. :-O The information of what's new in Vista has been so widely available, at so many different outlets, in so many different forms, and for such a long time now, that I hope you can understand that I thought you were putting forth argument, rather than simply seeking information.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
No biggie. :) It's kinda like the Wiki that Ryan pointed me to. There's a ton of incremental improvements, without a doubt. However, to install Vista I really need to buy a new box as I have to count on my other machines to be up and can't afford to experiment with them. So, I was looking for that new Killer App feature. The speech recognition seems pretty cool. I just don't know if it's enough to pry my wallet out of my pocket for a new box just yet. Heaven knows the temptation is there. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Vista appears to be a large collection of cool, but small, enhancements rather than something which brings anything major and new to the party.
That must be just a sincere request for information, right?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Nope. That's my perception based on looking at the wiki he pointed me to. Still looking for a fight, are we? :)
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I'd go even further...
/. is not a good place'--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
Agreed, but where is a good place? I've been looking at Digg for months, but it's now turning into the same rot that /. is.
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I am so tired of reading negative reviews of Vista by self-proclaimed "experts" who say that Vista is nothing but a new UI slapped onto XP. The ignorance demonstrated by such a view is just too much for me to bear. :sigh: And this type of nonsense is very frequently perpetrated by people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers. Comparisons to OS X really get my goat when people point out that OS X was there first. Is Microsoft just supposed to close up shop and go away because OS X had some of these features first? When people point out that OS X had some of these features first, I just feel like saying, "Yeah, and what's your point?"
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Richie308 wrote:
...people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers.
Just because one is an enthusiast or a gamers does not also imply that they are an expert on Vista.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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I just don't turn my computer on, it is safer that way. ;)
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkAbstinence, eh?
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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Nope. That's my perception based on looking at the wiki he pointed me to. Still looking for a fight, are we? :)
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[honesty] As I said, the info about Vista has been so readily available for so long, that your "sincere request" for information can only be interpreted as willing ignorance. [/honesty]
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I'd go even further...
/. is not a good place'--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
That can be further optimised to:
./ is notThen you can just insert your own ending.
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Richie308 wrote:
...people who should know better, like enthusiasts such as gamers.
Just because one is an enthusiast or a gamers does not also imply that they are an expert on Vista.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
Indeed, most of the enthusiasts and gamers I know are as thick as two bits when it comes to computers in the real world. What's that saying? A little computer knowledge is a dangerous thing... I love Vista. It allows me to restrict the damage they can do by themselves. No more having to add "sexy desktop" and "registry tweak" to their firewall's block list.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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[honesty] As I said, the info about Vista has been so readily available for so long, that your "sincere request" for information can only be interpreted as willing ignorance. [/honesty]
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP.
Same here. I was on Windows 2000 up until about 18 months ago.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
I'm sorry, I was set on a hair trigger. I completely lost sight of the fact that other people have their own priorities, lives, and points of view. I admit I was looking for a debate, but I do not wish to have a fight. I apologize for accusing you of insincerity, and I did not mean to make it personal.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I'm sorry, I was set on a hair trigger. I completely lost sight of the fact that other people have their own priorities, lives, and points of view. I admit I was looking for a debate, but I do not wish to have a fight. I apologize for accusing you of insincerity, and I did not mean to make it personal.
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
No harm done, man. :) Besides, show me a techie who isn't passionate about these things and I'll show you someone who does inferior work! :-D
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I just don't turn my computer on, it is safer that way. ;)
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today (some days are better than others), perhaps an example will help illustrate my perspective. I only recently upgraded all my Windows 2000 boxes to XP. Prior to this, only the one in the recording studio was XP, because some of the hardware & software required it. The reason I upgraded all the others was because of what was, for my particular situation, a Killer App. Something that I could do in XP that I couldn't in 2000, and that was Remote Desktop. I have half a dozen machines scattered upstairs and downstairs, all around the house, so this was a huge convenience factor for me. I already have Vista Business. XP runs slower than 2000 (after half a dozen clean installs on previous 2000 boxes running the same aps, I can say that with confidence), but RD made it worthwhile nonetheless. Once all the drivers are out there, all my developent tools work under Vista, etc. I'll eventually install it on at least one box, probably a new one. As for upgrading all the others, I can't justify it until I find major new features akin to RD that make the move worthwhile. It's not willing ignorance, and Tom and I have had some lively phone conversations about just this thing. It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Since I'm obviously not doing a very good job of communicating today
I think you are doing fine.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
It's a matter of justifying the upgrade in terms of my personal needs.
Exactly. Yes a bunch of cool nice things to have but the cost versus impact in my enviroment, has not been shown. .... Naw skip the example it will be misinterpreted.
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Or the features they blatantly stole from Eniac!
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