I dislike java...
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Java (the language) is a joke. However, the framework is pretty big and rich, and when used from a good language like Scala[^], it surely looks like good platform for some applications. Also, I like the fact that Sun stubornly sticks to backward compatibility with new versions of Java. MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Also, I like the fact that Sun stubornly sticks to backward compatibility with new versions of Java. MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
In my experience, they behave exactly the opposite...
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
This hilarious post from Steve Yegge's blog[[^](http://This hilarious post from Steve Yegge's blog)], should be able to lift your spirits! :)
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Matt Newman wrote:
all of these features existed in the first version of .NET.
and what exactly are these features?
The features introduced in Java 5 include: generics (which actually suck when you try to implement a generic container backed by an array. For instance:
public class MyList<T>
{
private T[] myCollection;
}Throws an error. You can't do that. You have to store it in an Object[] array and cast when you want to return it from the data structure. And before you ask...yes...this is how the java.util.* collections do it. Frustrated me to no end in my data structures class. Others are the "enhanced for loop" that allow foreaching over a collection:
for(Person p : myPersonCollection) {...}
Annotations (like .NET's attributes), typesafe enums, varargs (the params keyword in C#), etc etc. When you've actually got to deal with Java, it's nice to have them. But Java evangelists go around touting 'em like they're Invented Here...when clearly they aren't.
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
Hey...better to do a data structures class in Java than in some bastardized version of C where the prof gives you "template files" that you have to fill in code. X|
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Also, I like the fact that Sun stubornly sticks to backward compatibility with new versions of Java. MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
In my experience, they behave exactly the opposite...
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Dario Solera wrote:
In my experience, they behave exactly the opposite...
"They" - Sun, or "they" - MS? :)
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Dario Solera wrote:
In my experience, they behave exactly the opposite...
"They" - Sun, or "they" - MS? :)
Both.
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
Heh, most of the really good stuff in Java predated the existence of .NET. If you want pointers use C.
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Java (the language) is a joke. However, the framework is pretty big and rich, and when used from a good language like Scala[^], it surely looks like good platform for some applications. Also, I like the fact that Sun stubornly sticks to backward compatibility with new versions of Java. MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
:wtf: MS is way too comitted to back compat, IMO. They're introducing a better DateTime in .NET 3.5, but instead of deprecating the existing one or replacing the existing one, they're gonna have DateTime2 for back compat reasons. :doh: Same goes for the ReaderWriterLock -- there will be a new ReaderWriterLockSlim in .NET 3.5, keeping the old version around without deprecating it. :doh: IMO, that's too much focus on back compat; cleanliness of the framework is being put on the back burner in favor of back compat. That's wrong, IMO.
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
I have to be very careful what I say about java. We have someone here who believes the greatest problem with our development group is that we aren't using java for everything. ohhhh, the heated ... discussions... that have been had. :)
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
The language is OK, it is the freaking nightmare that is J2EE, servlet containers, JSP and all that rubbish that gets on my tits. I've never seen so much prep. just to run 1 line of code before.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
Matt Newman wrote:
all of these features existed in the first version of .NET.
.. which appeared a little bit after Java, didn't it?
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The language is OK, it is the freaking nightmare that is J2EE, servlet containers, JSP and all that rubbish that gets on my tits. I've never seen so much prep. just to run 1 line of code before.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Oh god, don't get me started on JSP... bad memories. [Damn, cp put this one in the wrong spot] -- modified at 11:36 Wednesday 14th February, 2007
Matt Newman
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Matt Newman wrote:
all of these features existed in the first version of .NET.
and what exactly are these features?
Reflection, Auto-boxing, generics (though that is technically 2.0, still beats java out of the gate), can't think of the rest off the top of my head... I'll have to get back to you.
Matt Newman
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Matt Newman wrote:
all of these features existed in the first version of .NET.
.. which appeared a little bit after Java, didn't it?
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K(arl) wrote:
which appeared a little bit after Java, didn't it?
I'm not arguing that, i'm just pointing out that my professor is ignoring the fact that many of these "new" features already existed.. and in some cases are implimented better in .NET
Matt Newman
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
MS is way too much relaxed in this matter, IMHO.
:wtf: MS is way too comitted to back compat, IMO. They're introducing a better DateTime in .NET 3.5, but instead of deprecating the existing one or replacing the existing one, they're gonna have DateTime2 for back compat reasons. :doh: Same goes for the ReaderWriterLock -- there will be a new ReaderWriterLockSlim in .NET 3.5, keeping the old version around without deprecating it. :doh: IMO, that's too much focus on back compat; cleanliness of the framework is being put on the back burner in favor of back compat. That's wrong, IMO.
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Judah Himango wrote:
MS is way too comitted to back compat, IMO
Would you dare telling it to any VB6 programmer?
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Both.
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Strange. MS has dropped many technologies in the past, making tons of working code obsolete. Remember ActiveX Documents, VB3, VB6, Managed extensions for C++? On the other hand, you can recompile Java 1.0 code with Java 5.0 JDK without problems AFAIK. Sure, you'll get many "deprecated" warnings, but that's about it.
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
Never used it, but from what I see of it... I ended up with 4 separate versions of it on my system (1.4.2, 1.4.5, 1.5.0a, 1.5.0c or something) It was the slowest thing I've ever seen (running Limewire - how can it take so long to simply initalise a dialog box! And the window painting was intolerable). The files are all over the place, it has no content management (going back to the 4 versions of it) which reminds me of Python - each program that runs it has its own DLL for it - why not have a global one? :sigh: The long roundabout way you have to go to download the runtimes (website, through about 20 pages then downloading it for six hours). I could probably come up with more if I used it, but I doubt I will.
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Oh god, don't get me started on JSP... bad memories. [Damn, cp put this one in the wrong spot] -- modified at 11:36 Wednesday 14th February, 2007
Matt Newman
It is my current nightmare. Using it alongside a Rails app and JSP completely and utterly sucks.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I am sitting in a Data Structures class right now and it seems like every day the professor manages to bring up some new miracle feature that is new in version 5 or 6 and how its so new and gonna save the day blah blah blah. I'm sitting here wanting to scream out that all of these features existed in the first version of .NET. [Update]We are talking about ackerman's function again... nothing to do with data structures...:sigh: [/Update]
Matt Newman
wait, you DON'T dislike Java, you dislike your Teacher ! :->
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