Between Angels and Insects
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Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". Change the record people, please. These past few months contributing to the community side of the CodeProject has been a chore, and one I do not enjoy either. Every day it's the same... I wonder what they will pull out of context and use against me now. You people ask for my input and then turn around and have the nerve to talk back at me with me without even taking the time to listen. It just so happens that in the last few cases I do know what I am talking about, but you still consciously choose to ignore me. Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. You may not do it visibly, but it is not difficult to sense it is there; not difficult at all. And do you know what really gets me? No it's not that you may disagree with me - I got over that petty rivalry when I was nine - it's that you are unable to see that you are the racist, that you are the cheat, that you are the liar. There are a few people on here who I hold a high reverence for - you know who they are - these people do listen to what I, and others, have to say, and if they find fault in the reasoning or fact conveyed they will take the time to research and construct a response objecting to it. It is a joy to converse with these people. They are sadly the minority it seems. On more than one occasion now I have had people talk with me privately via e-mail just to avoid the vultures. That, my friends, is a sad state of affairs indeed. Do you think I enjoy being everyone’s punch bag; the communal boot scrape? Change the record people, please. When I enter into a conversation with someone of course I have a predetermined image of them in my head, as does everyone, but the difference with some of you is that I am still able to listen and react to that person regardless of my view of them. Recent events with a certain member are evidence of this. When I became a member of this community a good twenty months back now, I did so because it was one of the few online environments that was not overrun with l33t kiddies and their petty fights. It has been a rare opportunity to find such a diverse mix of views and cultures in which to mix and make new acquaintances. I did not sign up got the “David doesn’t like Pepsi so he must be prejudiced against the Uni
David Wulff wrote: I do not dislike Americans, nevertheless I do dislike arrogance and deliberate ignorance, and these go together to a certain extent - as with all nations. However David if you had started with this line vs having it lost in the middle you would not have come across nearly as much of "hating the USA" as you did. To be truthful (no insult intended here) you come across as very arrogant to me much of the time. I assume this is youthful exuberance or cultural differences and let it pass. Personally I find that most of what I take as a verbal attack on the USA comes from taking things out of context. Be that deliberate or as a result of the news reporting in what ever country. Yes the USA has done some bad things. But most of the time it was not their intent to do evil. The few times I know it was an intent to do evil the country did not stand for it. Why can this understanding never get across? There is not a nation that has not done some bad things. So lets try to stop just saying how many evil actions one nation has done and start explaining "Hey friend, this hurt, this is how my people are taking your actions, can we work this out?" To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
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Jason Henderson wrote: You have to admit, that in the last 100 years or so, the USA has been the most dominant economic, cultural, and political entity in the world. Yes, your late entry into WWII meant that you were the main country to leave the war profited by it, and the fact that you killed a few million Japanese women and children to *end* the war meant that everyone was either glad to be your friend, or scared of you. Jason Henderson wrote: I think we have good reason to be arrogant and the rest of the world jealous. What sort of reasons ? Vietnam ? Nagasaki ? Saddam Hussein ? Yes, you've done much good, you've also done much bad. What amazes me more than anything is the zeal with which some Yanks ascribe the good things their country does to themselves personally, while remaining semmingly ignorant of your countries many failures. Jason Henderson wrote: Its probably hard for the French and the Brits to give up superpower status as it would be for Americans. I doubt many Brits or French are raised to regard their country with the religious zeal you guys do. I know as a member of the former Empire, I could care less. Jason Henderson wrote: Like it or not, I'm right. Of course you are - you're American :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Yes, your late entry into WWII meant that you were the main country to leave the war profited by it, and the fact that you killed a few million Japanese women and children to *end* the war meant that everyone was either glad to be your friend, or scared of you. I would submit that we became the dominant world player after WWI and maybe even after the Spanish-American War. Which is worse, millions of the bad guys dead or millions of the good guys? And don't tell me the Japanese military was anything but bad. Just ask the millions of raped, pillaged and dead in their wake across the entire pacific rim. I don't believe in moral relativism. There is good and there is evil. For the most part, the USA has been on the side of good. Christian Graus wrote: while remaining semmingly ignorant of your countries many failures. I understand your apprehension and contempt for the power we wield. Unfortunately, when you're a Gulliver among Lilliputians you're bound to step on a few of the little people. One day, probably sooner rather than later, the USA will lose some of its power and another country will have to step up to the plate and take a swing at it. Hopefully, it won't be a nation like communist China. Christian Graus wrote: Like it or not, I'm right. Of course you are - you're American Good one. :-O Like it or not, I'm right.
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Racists are the first to cry "racist". Cheats are the first to cry "cheat". Liars are the first to cry "liar". And so, it seems, Americans are the first to cry "David dislikes us". Change the record people, please. These past few months contributing to the community side of the CodeProject has been a chore, and one I do not enjoy either. Every day it's the same... I wonder what they will pull out of context and use against me now. You people ask for my input and then turn around and have the nerve to talk back at me with me without even taking the time to listen. It just so happens that in the last few cases I do know what I am talking about, but you still consciously choose to ignore me. Every time I open my mouth in the Lounge I can see you rolling your eyes and disapproving without bothering to listen. You may not do it visibly, but it is not difficult to sense it is there; not difficult at all. And do you know what really gets me? No it's not that you may disagree with me - I got over that petty rivalry when I was nine - it's that you are unable to see that you are the racist, that you are the cheat, that you are the liar. There are a few people on here who I hold a high reverence for - you know who they are - these people do listen to what I, and others, have to say, and if they find fault in the reasoning or fact conveyed they will take the time to research and construct a response objecting to it. It is a joy to converse with these people. They are sadly the minority it seems. On more than one occasion now I have had people talk with me privately via e-mail just to avoid the vultures. That, my friends, is a sad state of affairs indeed. Do you think I enjoy being everyone’s punch bag; the communal boot scrape? Change the record people, please. When I enter into a conversation with someone of course I have a predetermined image of them in my head, as does everyone, but the difference with some of you is that I am still able to listen and react to that person regardless of my view of them. Recent events with a certain member are evidence of this. When I became a member of this community a good twenty months back now, I did so because it was one of the few online environments that was not overrun with l33t kiddies and their petty fights. It has been a rare opportunity to find such a diverse mix of views and cultures in which to mix and make new acquaintances. I did not sign up got the “David doesn’t like Pepsi so he must be prejudiced against the Uni
Wow, I quit posting in the lounge because the general content of the messages had severly degraded into discussions that were obviously started to bolster message counts, but my message announcing that fact was only a couple of lines long, and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. Dave, you gotta lighten up. If you provide anti-American opinions in a forum dominated (in large numbers) by Americans, you can expect a certain amount of backlash. Some of the people that post don't recognize humor in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? Since you had never mentioned anything specific, I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. What's truly funny is the Americans (as a rule) don't find nearly so much to dislike about the British. From our side of the pond, the brits appear just as patronizing and arrogant as we do to you. False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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Wow, I quit posting in the lounge because the general content of the messages had severly degraded into discussions that were obviously started to bolster message counts, but my message announcing that fact was only a couple of lines long, and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. Dave, you gotta lighten up. If you provide anti-American opinions in a forum dominated (in large numbers) by Americans, you can expect a certain amount of backlash. Some of the people that post don't recognize humor in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? Since you had never mentioned anything specific, I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. What's truly funny is the Americans (as a rule) don't find nearly so much to dislike about the British. From our side of the pond, the brits appear just as patronizing and arrogant as we do to you. False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. Excellent wording! It goes for us all. Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Wow, I quit posting in the lounge because the general content of the messages had severly degraded into discussions that were obviously started to bolster message counts, but my message announcing that fact was only a couple of lines long, and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. Dave, you gotta lighten up. If you provide anti-American opinions in a forum dominated (in large numbers) by Americans, you can expect a certain amount of backlash. Some of the people that post don't recognize humor in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? Since you had never mentioned anything specific, I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. What's truly funny is the Americans (as a rule) don't find nearly so much to dislike about the British. From our side of the pond, the brits appear just as patronizing and arrogant as we do to you. False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
I noticed you were missing, but I was keeping my head down in case you bit it off! :-D ;P Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
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Before I start by repeating my text of the past few days a further time, take note of what I have just said. You have just typed an elaborate reply at me, not to me. Additionaly, also take note that I am not alone in what I say here. I may be the one to stand up and poke my head through the crowd, but that does not make me a single voice. As I have said I have had e-mails from several different members of this community who wish to remain anonymous to avoid the heat, and often find responses coming in to posts made over a week ago just to keep them out of the spotlight. Whilst I respect a person's right to do this, it is obviously a little anoying, though the evidence is there if you care to research it. Anyway... Jeremy Falcon wrote: You are making this up It is a well known and conclusivly proven fact, actually, in the three cases I have used. The latter is based on observation. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Your own words are the reasons I believe you hate Americans. I have stated in as many words that I hate one thing and one thing only, and whilst I hold that thought close to my heart it has nothing to do with nationality or petty arguments based on such. Jeremy Falcon wrote: "I hate Americans." That's what you said. Was that in the same sentance that I said "I hate my mother and wish death to all Jews"? No come on, enlighten me, 'cause I can't see the difference. Jeremy Falcon wrote: How else would one interpret that when it's mixed with so many negative comments towards us? I want to remain civil so I can keep this constructive, so read this in a lowered tone. For fÙcks sake man, can you read? I challenge you to build some "negative scales" and place any negative Americanesq comments made by myself on one side and those regarding other nations on the other. I would bet money the scales would fall quickly to the right. This is what I was talking about when I say you (and in this case I am referring directly to you, Jeremy) do not listen to what I say - only to what you want me to say. Again, I can only repeat "David doesn't like Pepsi - he is anti-American". Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm being honest here man. This is your own insecurities talking Oh of course, why didn't I think of that! No it's not, and you know it's not. I have had people say to me what prompted you to write that response, it is not just my ow
David Wulff wrote: Oh of course, why didn't I think of that! No it's not, and you know it's not. I have had people say to me what prompted you to write that response, it is not just my own observation - though responses like this do not help your cause. I really don't wish to continue an argument. But, I ask that you at least take heed on some of my word. If not, so be it. Everyone has insecurities; therefore, I have them as well. I freely admit this. I talk about myself, what's going on my life, etc. on CP because this is where I come to unload. Let me explain my world to you David. I live in a world where the only thing "cool" about being a computer nerd is the money you get from it. The reasons why I'll keep concealed so it is not mistaken for ego. I never really get to be myself until I come to places like this. And, I like being sociable because I used to not be. So, I talk a lot. Also, I'll never back down from confrontation. You have strong people and weak people. I am not weak. If this makes me a bad person, then I'm sorry. However, I will not change. If people think me horrible, it's not my fault because I have never directly been mean to anyone here except for two people that I can think of - one of which is Bill SerGio. I just speak my mind and never quite know when to shut up. I say what people think; that's the difference. And, "these people" you refer to are a bit judgmental don't you think? I try my best not to judge anyone because I have seen enough in my life to know that people usually turn out to be something you didn't expect. FWIW David, I think you're a cool guy, but your tones all too often reflect anger. Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I believe you hate Americans. Let's see, how did they go? "I hate Americans." That's what you said. Where and in what context ? Jeremy Falcon wrote: but I tired of your (and many others) insistent bashing of the US. And we're tired of your assumption that the US can do no wrong, that any comment in any negative light of anything originating from the USA is US bashing. Jeremy Falcon wrote: This would seem lighthearted to you because something you care for is not being insulted. David is right - being an American is a religion and therefore beyond reasonable discussion. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
Christian Graus wrote: David is right - being an American is a religion and therefore beyond reasonable discussion. All I'll say is that I wished for more from you. :( Jeremy L. Falcon "It's in the mail." Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Wow, I quit posting in the lounge because the general content of the messages had severly degraded into discussions that were obviously started to bolster message counts, but my message announcing that fact was only a couple of lines long, and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. Dave, you gotta lighten up. If you provide anti-American opinions in a forum dominated (in large numbers) by Americans, you can expect a certain amount of backlash. Some of the people that post don't recognize humor in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? Since you had never mentioned anything specific, I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. What's truly funny is the Americans (as a rule) don't find nearly so much to dislike about the British. From our side of the pond, the brits appear just as patronizing and arrogant as we do to you. False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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There are only two members of this online community whom I would not even care to give the time of day to. I don't - and won't - ever tell anybody else who they are, because they are opinions I have formed based on how they have shown themselves to me and others, and it is not my place to do so. However, I can honestly say you were never one of them - your 'problem' was in the way you argued your points across during the whole Lindows fiasco and the subsequent debris. You were, it seems now not deliberately, portraying yourself as one of the people that would fall into that category I describe - and although it is also not my place to say this, I was not alone in that conclusion. Now I quite enjoy talking with you; you make sense (most of the time :p) and you seem to have picked up a good sense of humour along the way. ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
David Wulff wrote: There are only two members of this online community whom I would not even care to give the time of day to (This should be an easy test) Hey, Dave, what time is it? ;) "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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David Wulff wrote: There are only two members of this online community whom I would not even care to give the time of day to (This should be an easy test) Hey, Dave, what time is it? ;) "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
Sorry - I don't have my watch on. :rolleyes: ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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Wow, I quit posting in the lounge because the general content of the messages had severly degraded into discussions that were obviously started to bolster message counts, but my message announcing that fact was only a couple of lines long, and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. Dave, you gotta lighten up. If you provide anti-American opinions in a forum dominated (in large numbers) by Americans, you can expect a certain amount of backlash. Some of the people that post don't recognize humor in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? Since you had never mentioned anything specific, I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. What's truly funny is the Americans (as a rule) don't find nearly so much to dislike about the British. From our side of the pond, the brits appear just as patronizing and arrogant as we do to you. False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. I have. I keep making off-key remarks and jokes about you but you're never there to read them. :(( John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? As a country, nothing specific, but as people I like the same things as I do in any person I meet - including myself. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. Let's try a similar question - what do you like about your mother in law? See - it's not easy is it! :-D John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. I've never denied that, and in some cases it is blatently obvious, but the difference is that Brits just don't blow these things out of proportion. Like you said (though I've had to correct a few spelling mistakes you made), some of the people that post don't recognise humour in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. Talking of which, I received a strongly worded e-mail after I started that "what words do you yanks misspell" thread a few months back. It seems one of our fellow CPians took that as a personal assualt on his family. Go figure. :| ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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Sorry - I don't have my watch on. :rolleyes: ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: and I doubt if anyone has even missed me. I have. I keep making off-key remarks and jokes about you but you're never there to read them. :(( John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: So what do you *like* about Americans, anyway? As a country, nothing specific, but as people I like the same things as I do in any person I meet - including myself. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I assume the list must be quite large and you're simply having trouble selecting just one positive thing to say about Americans. Let's try a similar question - what do you like about your mother in law? See - it's not easy is it! :-D John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: False impressions is a two-edged sword polished and sharpend by ignorance. I've never denied that, and in some cases it is blatently obvious, but the difference is that Brits just don't blow these things out of proportion. Like you said (though I've had to correct a few spelling mistakes you made), some of the people that post don't recognise humour in any form, or just plain don't know when to keep their traps shut. Talking of which, I received a strongly worded e-mail after I started that "what words do you yanks misspell" thread a few months back. It seems one of our fellow CPians took that as a personal assualt on his family. Go figure. :| ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
David Wulff wrote: fellow CPians took that as a personal assualt on his family "assault"... LOL David Wulff wrote: I keep making off-key remarks and jokes about you but you're never there to read them. I can't keep up any more. The noise level in the Lounge has finally exceeded my desire to read the messages. I fear that my outlaw-style messages may have been the catalyst for individuals less deft at literary jousting and delivery of rapier-sharp insults and jibes. David Wulff wrote: what do you like about your mother in law? My current mother-in-law isn't bad at all, but my ex mother-in-law; let's just say that the best thing I can say about her is that she lives over 1500 miles away, and unless the wind is juuuuust right, I can't hear her harpy-like shrill, and her corpulent shadow no longer darkens my doorway. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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David Wulff wrote: fellow CPians took that as a personal assualt on his family "assault"... LOL David Wulff wrote: I keep making off-key remarks and jokes about you but you're never there to read them. I can't keep up any more. The noise level in the Lounge has finally exceeded my desire to read the messages. I fear that my outlaw-style messages may have been the catalyst for individuals less deft at literary jousting and delivery of rapier-sharp insults and jibes. David Wulff wrote: what do you like about your mother in law? My current mother-in-law isn't bad at all, but my ex mother-in-law; let's just say that the best thing I can say about her is that she lives over 1500 miles away, and unless the wind is juuuuust right, I can't hear her harpy-like shrill, and her corpulent shadow no longer darkens my doorway. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: LOL Smarmy yank git. :p Okay , okay, I put my foot in it then - what can I say, my brain works quicker than my fingers. ;P John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I can't keep up any more. Fair enough, I certaily don't blame you. It's probably best you don't find out that I called you a female, Welsh, goat felater with a fake Austrailian accent, and that I have a shrine to you in my bedroom... ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: LOL Smarmy yank git. :p Okay , okay, I put my foot in it then - what can I say, my brain works quicker than my fingers. ;P John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I can't keep up any more. Fair enough, I certaily don't blame you. It's probably best you don't find out that I called you a female, Welsh, goat felater with a fake Austrailian accent, and that I have a shrine to you in my bedroom... ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
For the shrine, I hope you didn't cheap out and snag one of those half-assed imitation John idols that are common in Chinese gift shops. Even a poorly done artist's rendition of my god-like countenance is better than a smallish chinese statuette. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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For the shrine, I hope you didn't cheap out and snag one of those half-assed imitation John idols that are common in Chinese gift shops. Even a poorly done artist's rendition of my god-like countenance is better than a smallish chinese statuette. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
It was surprisingly easy to find a realistic statue of you - I just went to my local country music store... :-D ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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It was surprisingly easy to find a realistic statue of you - I just went to my local country music store... :-D ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
ROTFL !!!!! Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Yes, your late entry into WWII meant that you were the main country to leave the war profited by it, and the fact that you killed a few million Japanese women and children to *end* the war meant that everyone was either glad to be your friend, or scared of you. I would submit that we became the dominant world player after WWI and maybe even after the Spanish-American War. Which is worse, millions of the bad guys dead or millions of the good guys? And don't tell me the Japanese military was anything but bad. Just ask the millions of raped, pillaged and dead in their wake across the entire pacific rim. I don't believe in moral relativism. There is good and there is evil. For the most part, the USA has been on the side of good. Christian Graus wrote: while remaining semmingly ignorant of your countries many failures. I understand your apprehension and contempt for the power we wield. Unfortunately, when you're a Gulliver among Lilliputians you're bound to step on a few of the little people. One day, probably sooner rather than later, the USA will lose some of its power and another country will have to step up to the plate and take a swing at it. Hopefully, it won't be a nation like communist China. Christian Graus wrote: Like it or not, I'm right. Of course you are - you're American Good one. :-O Like it or not, I'm right.
Jason Henderson wrote: I would submit that we became the dominant world player after WWI and maybe even after the Spanish-American War. Quite possibly - WWI left Europe pretty much raped. It was the opressive terms placed on Germany after WWI that planted the seeds the Nazis fed on. Jason Henderson wrote: Which is worse, millions of the bad guys dead or millions of the good guys? You've seen too many westerns. Jason Henderson wrote: And don't tell me the Japanese military was anything but bad. Just ask the millions of raped, pillaged and dead in their wake across the entire pacific rim. So ALL Japanese were responsible for this, including the women and children you killed ? Are they then inhenerntly evil as a race ? Should we ban them from CP ? You see where I am going. Jason Henderson wrote: I don't believe in moral relativism. There is good and there is evil. For the most part, the USA has been on the side of good. Almost entirely you have tried to be. My point was exactly this: in so much as you've tried to do good, often it's been in ignorance and fear, and bad has been done. Again Vietnam. The Communism witch hunts in Hollywood in the 50's. The support for Saddam Hussein. Those sort of things show what happens when one country thinks it can run the world. Jason Henderson wrote: I understand your apprehension and contempt for the power we wield. I fel neither of these things, I could care less on a personal level. I just want you to recognise that it's not always been wielded well. Jason Henderson wrote: Unfortunately, when you're a Gulliver among Lilliputians you're bound to step on a few of the little people. That's a pretty glib way of saying 'when you're a superpower and you wield that power solely in your own interest, you're going to end up crushing some innocent people for your own ends'. Jason Henderson wrote: One day, probably sooner rather than later, the USA will lose some of its power and another country will have to step up to the plate and take a swing at it. Hopefully, it won't be a nation like communist China. To be honest, I doubt it would be that much different - a communist nation is probably just less likely to invest time and money in lying to it's citizens about it's activities. Jason Henderson wrote: Li
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Jason Henderson wrote: I would submit that we became the dominant world player after WWI and maybe even after the Spanish-American War. Quite possibly - WWI left Europe pretty much raped. It was the opressive terms placed on Germany after WWI that planted the seeds the Nazis fed on. Jason Henderson wrote: Which is worse, millions of the bad guys dead or millions of the good guys? You've seen too many westerns. Jason Henderson wrote: And don't tell me the Japanese military was anything but bad. Just ask the millions of raped, pillaged and dead in their wake across the entire pacific rim. So ALL Japanese were responsible for this, including the women and children you killed ? Are they then inhenerntly evil as a race ? Should we ban them from CP ? You see where I am going. Jason Henderson wrote: I don't believe in moral relativism. There is good and there is evil. For the most part, the USA has been on the side of good. Almost entirely you have tried to be. My point was exactly this: in so much as you've tried to do good, often it's been in ignorance and fear, and bad has been done. Again Vietnam. The Communism witch hunts in Hollywood in the 50's. The support for Saddam Hussein. Those sort of things show what happens when one country thinks it can run the world. Jason Henderson wrote: I understand your apprehension and contempt for the power we wield. I fel neither of these things, I could care less on a personal level. I just want you to recognise that it's not always been wielded well. Jason Henderson wrote: Unfortunately, when you're a Gulliver among Lilliputians you're bound to step on a few of the little people. That's a pretty glib way of saying 'when you're a superpower and you wield that power solely in your own interest, you're going to end up crushing some innocent people for your own ends'. Jason Henderson wrote: One day, probably sooner rather than later, the USA will lose some of its power and another country will have to step up to the plate and take a swing at it. Hopefully, it won't be a nation like communist China. To be honest, I doubt it would be that much different - a communist nation is probably just less likely to invest time and money in lying to it's citizens about it's activities. Jason Henderson wrote: Li
Christian Graus wrote: I'm not saying I hate the US, that would make me as racist as your comments on the Japanese. Is the US a race? The predominant race of the US is the same as the predominant race of Australia. So if an Australian says her/she hates the US it doesn't make him/her a racist and vice versa. It does make him/her biased though.:)
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm not saying I hate the US, that would make me as racist as your comments on the Japanese. Is the US a race? The predominant race of the US is the same as the predominant race of Australia. So if an Australian says her/she hates the US it doesn't make him/her a racist and vice versa. It does make him/her biased though.:)
Anonymous wrote: Is the US a race? The predominant race of the US is the same as the predominant race of Australia. I think we did this last time, and settled on the word 'bigot'. By this same logic, someone who hates all Japanese people is also not racist - they do not hate all Asians, so they do not hate based purely on race. But it's purely semantic - we all know what I meant.... :-) Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
