Why Java is falling behide
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The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE.
Yeah, WPF+WWF+WTF is so much more appealing... :rolleyes: But the rest of your points are good. Add in the fact that probably the first exposure many of us had with Java was as crappy little slow-to-load applets on web pages...
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Add in the fact that probably the first exposure many of us had with Java was as crappy little slow-to-load applets on web pages...
:laugh: Yeah I used to hate java apps on web pages...wait I still do! Freaking crap loads slow on my otherwise fast machine. Before .net was huge I made some dang slick stuff in java, so I give it props for that. Anymore though it's easier to use c# and less of a hassle IMHO (anyone else write code in debug mode?)
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide.
Where did you hear that it's lagging behind? Seriously - I've not heard this, so I'm curious. I was under the impression that it is still one of the most widely used languages around. Cheers, Drew.
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.jpg wrote:
I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide.
Where did you hear that it's lagging behind? Seriously - I've not heard this, so I'm curious. I was under the impression that it is still one of the most widely used languages around. Cheers, Drew.
I've read a few articles (have to look for links) that talk about market saturation of .Net being quite high. Last company I was at had to decide Java or .Net for their platform going forward and the arguments for Java were not what they once were.
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.
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Drew's question is valid. Can you cite some sources?
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.jpg wrote:
I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide.
Where did you hear that it's lagging behind? Seriously - I've not heard this, so I'm curious. I was under the impression that it is still one of the most widely used languages around. Cheers, Drew.
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.
No functional programming constructs. If you can't pass around functions as variables/symbols, you can't do events and event handlers, you can't do functional operations on generic lists, you can't do LINQ...
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.jpg wrote:
No offense, but you really need to sync with todays market.
Oh I'm well sync'd. Java penetration in the desktop market might be small, but there's a lot more to the software market than that. My understanding is that Java has a lot bigger part of the rest of the pie than some might think. Cheers, Drew.
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Java's lagging behide is a fact, I am just speaking on the WHY. I love the Java language too, but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language.
.jpg wrote:
Java's lagging behide is a fact
Without sources to back that up it's not anything close to a 'fact'.
.jpg wrote:
I love the Java language too
I don't love Java - rarely even use it.
.jpg wrote:
but you have to let go, if not, YOU will lag behide with your favorite language
I use what's appropriate for the problem at hand. Sometimes that includes Java because of the vast array of scientific libraries available. Cheers, Drew.
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Drew's question is valid. Can you cite some sources?
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.
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No functional programming constructs. If you can't pass around functions as variables/symbols, you can't do events and event handlers, you can't do functional operations on generic lists, you can't do LINQ...
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i assume by "events" you mean something completely different from the events Windows has been using since v1.0.
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.
Doesn't seem to exist on non windows boxes. Also, I am running SQL Developer right now which I believe is in Java and there is no funky box. Of course with .NET being almost a part of the Windows OS there is no real way to compare the footprints of the two. Unless we got ourselves one of those nifty chips that executives Java natively. In fact my Razor is fairly fast and I think it is in Java too.
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www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings Cheers, Drew.
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i assume by "events" you mean something completely different from the events Windows has been using since v1.0.
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Yes. :)
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www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings Cheers, Drew.
Drew Stainton wrote:
www.monster.com Location: USA Category: Computers, Software Search term: "JAVA" yields 3935 listings Search term: ".NET" yields 2686 listings
I'm pretty sure they want Java people for maintaining existing projects. Roswell:)
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I like the Java language itself, but there are things that I think, is causing Java lagging behide. 1.) The marketing of Java use a lot of abbreviations. Most general user won't download something named J2EE. 2.) java app not only take longer to start, but it consume much greater amout of memory compared to .net. 3.) The UI visual appearence is not what most user would be expected. 4.) The default install of java install funny things to the tray and control panel, which, normal user would found confusing. 5.) People look at .NET framework as an addon to Windows, but look at Java as a third party trouble.
Java is alive and well, but I think that won't last. The reason, I suspect, has little to do with .NET or Windows. The language was designed from the start to automate small appliances and smart home devices; it was never intended to become a general purpose programming language. It was and remains an excellent tool for that purpose, but the marketing hype was redirected to make it a one-size-fits-all language. It just ain't so. You can't fix a system that is ill-designed for its job; it must be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. Java has grown considerably into a powerful tool, but it will always fall short because of the design philosophy upon which it was based. Unfortunately, it never has fulfilled its original promise because the marketers lost sight of the goal in their zeal to compete with Microsoft. A shame; I was really looking forward to having a smart toaster.
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