Red wine before sleep
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Anyone here drinks red wine before going to sleep (Not everyday of course)? If so, why? Reason asking this is that I heard it is good to the body in some way although i have no facts or anything to justify it. :~
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When i was in france i used to have a small glass of red-wine every day (not before going to sleep) to beat the cold.
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please read my other post. BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic. what cardiologists advise is one or 2 small glasses per day, during a meal preferably.
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toxcct wrote:
BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep".
It has the same wonderful effect as drinking it at any other time, but avoids the sleepy pill for those who need and gives better rest for those on the fringe.
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I drink a bottle every evening. It is damn good for you, full of good stuff like flavinoids, tannins, trace ellements etc.
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Beer, except in great quantities, has never helped me sleep. Beer is always a pick-me-up for me. Hops are supposed to be a relaxant, but I seriously doubt the quantity of hops used in beer is enough.
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please read my other post. BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic. what cardiologists advise is one or 2 small glasses per day, during a meal preferably.
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I've never heard a bigger load of crap! Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol, and that would be the only indication of alcoholism apparent anywhere in this thread.
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Anyone here drinks red wine before going to sleep (Not everyday of course)? If so, why? Reason asking this is that I heard it is good to the body in some way although i have no facts or anything to justify it. :~
Weiye Chen A self proclaimed hermit living in a cave, with his PC connected to the world.
i try not to drink within an hour and a half of going to bed. otherwise, i'll feel hungover. YMMV
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toxcct wrote:
BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic.
Well, yes. People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems, but half their problems ARE because of drinking (poor judgment, bad temper, hangover headaches). It would make more sense for them to seek help, but alcoholism makes for a very troubled mind, so they are caught in an infinite loop if no one makes it a point to help them. Roswell
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People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems
i dispute your ability to diagnose psychiatric problems without ever consulting with the patient.
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toxcct wrote:
BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic.
Well, yes. People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems, but half their problems ARE because of drinking (poor judgment, bad temper, hangover headaches). It would make more sense for them to seek help, but alcoholism makes for a very troubled mind, so they are caught in an infinite loop if no one makes it a point to help them. Roswell
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I've never heard a bigger load of crap! Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol, and that would be the only indication of alcoholism apparent anywhere in this thread.
Brady Kelly wrote:
I've never heard a bigger load of crap
read The Osmosian Order.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol
me neither, please understand a post before replying with all of your anger
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I used to drink red wine in order to sleep, with great success. If I had trouble sleeping, a single glass of dry red before bed took care of that problem very quickly. More I cannot tell you.
Brady Kelly wrote:
I used to drink red wine in order to sleep, with great success.
I used to drink two-three pints of burbon whiskey or black-label whiskey (higher proof) to go to sleep, it worked even better. But I wouldn't recommend that, I still woke up to the same problems that were keeping me awake.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
I've never heard a bigger load of crap
read The Osmosian Order.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol
me neither, please understand a post before replying with all of your anger
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toxcct wrote:
Brady Kelly wrote: I've never heard a bigger load of crap read The Osmosian Order.
OK, besides that.
toxcct wrote:
Brady Kelly wrote: Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol me neither, please understand a post before replying with all of your anger
My anger, although maybe a little sharp[1], is, I think, justified. You state that is someone is drinking before sleep, we can call him an alcoholic. "BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic." I am now calmer, yet still not happy that you make this assertion regarding someone's addiction to a substance based on, nothing, really. [1] I have a cold and am somewhat grumpy. If my "all of my anger" was a little much, I apologise.
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toxcct wrote:
Brady Kelly wrote: I've never heard a bigger load of crap read The Osmosian Order.
OK, besides that.
toxcct wrote:
Brady Kelly wrote: Nobody said they couldn't sleep without alcohol me neither, please understand a post before replying with all of your anger
My anger, although maybe a little sharp[1], is, I think, justified. You state that is someone is drinking before sleep, we can call him an alcoholic. "BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic." I am now calmer, yet still not happy that you make this assertion regarding someone's addiction to a substance based on, nothing, really. [1] I have a cold and am somewhat grumpy. If my "all of my anger" was a little much, I apologise.
and here is my point of view. drinking anything at anytime, especially when you're alone can be seriously considered as illness. Understand me well, I don't spit on alcoholic. most of them drink because they can't do anything else at the moment. I'm not a doctor, nor pretend to know how to fix them. now honnestly, do you drink before going to bed ? i mean, you feel good (not drinking to fix any sorethroat or what), not getting out of a diner with friends. you're simply alone, you didn't drink of the evening. Will you have a whole red wine glass just before entering your bed ? and to finish, how do you call addiction to drinking alcohol ? alcoholism, right ?
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and here is my point of view. drinking anything at anytime, especially when you're alone can be seriously considered as illness. Understand me well, I don't spit on alcoholic. most of them drink because they can't do anything else at the moment. I'm not a doctor, nor pretend to know how to fix them. now honnestly, do you drink before going to bed ? i mean, you feel good (not drinking to fix any sorethroat or what), not getting out of a diner with friends. you're simply alone, you didn't drink of the evening. Will you have a whole red wine glass just before entering your bed ? and to finish, how do you call addiction to drinking alcohol ? alcoholism, right ?
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I don't drink anything at the moment, as I have alcoholic tendencies[1]. I do, however, recognise the difference between addiction and use. If I drink cough medicine to help me with a cough, that doesn't mean I am addicted to cough medicine. Likewise, if I occasionally use alcohol to sleep, it doesn't mean I am addicted to alcohol. If I regularly can't sleep without alcohol, and have the glass of red wine every night, yes, then I am addicted to alcohol. [1] I can easily do without alcohol, I just battle controlling it when I do use it.
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I don't drink anything at the moment, as I have alcoholic tendencies[1]. I do, however, recognise the difference between addiction and use. If I drink cough medicine to help me with a cough, that doesn't mean I am addicted to cough medicine. Likewise, if I occasionally use alcohol to sleep, it doesn't mean I am addicted to alcohol. If I regularly can't sleep without alcohol, and have the glass of red wine every night, yes, then I am addicted to alcohol. [1] I can easily do without alcohol, I just battle controlling it when I do use it.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Likewise, if I occasionally use alcohol to sleep, it doesn't mean I am addicted to alcohol
it's on the way, though
Brady Kelly wrote:
I have alcoholic tendencies
sorry for you, but my 1st post had nothing personal against you. you took it for you
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Likewise, if I occasionally use alcohol to sleep, it doesn't mean I am addicted to alcohol
it's on the way, though
Brady Kelly wrote:
I have alcoholic tendencies
sorry for you, but my 1st post had nothing personal against you. you took it for you
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toxcct wrote:
t's on the way, though
Yes, it is. The danger is not trying to sleep naturally next time, but just using wine again.
toxcct wrote:
you took it for you
I didn't take it personally, I just got irritated by your quick classification of someone as an alcoholic, when there are so much more factors that actually decide. I know several people that never drink alone, and neither before bed, yet are definite alcoholics compared to others that might occasionally drink alone or take a drink to sleep. I hope there are no hard feelings anywhere. I don't have any.
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toxcct wrote:
BTW, i never heard of "drinking before going to sleep". If this is true, then we can call the guy an alcoholic.
Well, yes. People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems, but half their problems ARE because of drinking (poor judgment, bad temper, hangover headaches). It would make more sense for them to seek help, but alcoholism makes for a very troubled mind, so they are caught in an infinite loop if no one makes it a point to help them. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
Well, yes. People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems
I agree with Chris, it is difficult to lump all alcoholics in the same category. I did drink to forget. I had a wife who was cybering with every tom-...-and harry on the computer. She was desperate to find anyone who was not me, and I knew it. I do refer to myself as an alcoholic, though I never experienced a hang-over, and gave it up cold-turkey in only three months with no DTs. Alcoholism is an addiction. Trouble of one type or another may lead them to drinking, but it is the physical&mental addiction that makes for an alcoholic. Given that definition, I would not have been considered an alcoholic, though I still hold the mental thought, so I still fit the bill. I can remember in near photographic detail the taste and feeling (and differences between brands) of the whiskeys I drank. Different metabolisms process alcohol differently allowing different levels before addiction. One could, theoretically, with a low-tolerance become an alcoholic from one drink a night. The alcoholic is determined by the fact that you need it, or have the overwhelming desire to have it, but has nothing to do with the quantity or the reasons for drinking. I was asked at the last conference when the subject came up because I wouldn't drink (or let someone buy me a drink). A gentleman from Australia I believe, or at least that region, asked why I couldn't just have "one drink" now that all my problems from then have been solved. It makes sense, I drank because of problems, I never experienced a physical addiction (or at least the withdrawal from one), so I should be able to just grab a drink, drink once and be done, right? I can't describe the mental thought of drinking, just how strong that is. I fight it, and obviously win, I've not touched a drop for over 15 years. I even never drank while my 2nd wife was making fun of me for not drinking when I came to pick her up when she was drinking with the guys from work (they all poked their fun, so it wasn't just her, it just hurt worse because it was her). It makes me uncomfortable to get drinks for others, but I do because I am a nice guy. At the Christmas party one of the ladies asked me to get her a drink while she was going to check on her son. Jack and coke, 2/3 jack, one coke, I can still remember the scent of that drink better than I can the rose bushes all over town. THAT is alcoholism, the problem is gone, but I can never
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Brady Kelly wrote:
I used to drink red wine in order to sleep, with great success.
I used to drink two-three pints of burbon whiskey or black-label whiskey (higher proof) to go to sleep, it worked even better. But I wouldn't recommend that, I still woke up to the same problems that were keeping me awake.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I used to drink two-three pints of burbon whiskey or black-label whiskey (higher proof) to go to sleep, it worked even better.
:laugh: That only works for a week or so....then one needs to add valium and tequila to the mix.
Great job, team. Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I used to drink two-three pints of burbon whiskey or black-label whiskey (higher proof) to go to sleep, it worked even better.
:laugh: That only works for a week or so....then one needs to add valium and tequila to the mix.
Great job, team. Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.
Mark Salsbery wrote:
That only works for a week or so....then one needs to add valium and tequila to the mix.
I was quickly headed that direction back then.... That was why I tossed the last 5th away, threw it in the dumpster behind the apartment. Wine did nothing, so I graduated quickley. It only took a little bit of burbon to knock me out at first, then more, then more... pretty soon I was guzzling pints to walk through that door home.... When I realized 3 pints was no longer enough.... it was pretty obvious things would only get worse from there, so I stopped.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Mark Salsbery wrote:
That only works for a week or so....then one needs to add valium and tequila to the mix.
I was quickly headed that direction back then.... That was why I tossed the last 5th away, threw it in the dumpster behind the apartment. Wine did nothing, so I graduated quickley. It only took a little bit of burbon to knock me out at first, then more, then more... pretty soon I was guzzling pints to walk through that door home.... When I realized 3 pints was no longer enough.... it was pretty obvious things would only get worse from there, so I stopped.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Been there man! I'm still a musician so it's all around but now that I'm in my 40's I've left the chemicals and alcohol behind - a drink or two now and then but the old body can't take that serious overkill stuff :) I feel so much healthier though!
Great job, team. Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.
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RoswellNX wrote:
Well, yes. People like that drink before bed in order to forget their problems
I agree with Chris, it is difficult to lump all alcoholics in the same category. I did drink to forget. I had a wife who was cybering with every tom-...-and harry on the computer. She was desperate to find anyone who was not me, and I knew it. I do refer to myself as an alcoholic, though I never experienced a hang-over, and gave it up cold-turkey in only three months with no DTs. Alcoholism is an addiction. Trouble of one type or another may lead them to drinking, but it is the physical&mental addiction that makes for an alcoholic. Given that definition, I would not have been considered an alcoholic, though I still hold the mental thought, so I still fit the bill. I can remember in near photographic detail the taste and feeling (and differences between brands) of the whiskeys I drank. Different metabolisms process alcohol differently allowing different levels before addiction. One could, theoretically, with a low-tolerance become an alcoholic from one drink a night. The alcoholic is determined by the fact that you need it, or have the overwhelming desire to have it, but has nothing to do with the quantity or the reasons for drinking. I was asked at the last conference when the subject came up because I wouldn't drink (or let someone buy me a drink). A gentleman from Australia I believe, or at least that region, asked why I couldn't just have "one drink" now that all my problems from then have been solved. It makes sense, I drank because of problems, I never experienced a physical addiction (or at least the withdrawal from one), so I should be able to just grab a drink, drink once and be done, right? I can't describe the mental thought of drinking, just how strong that is. I fight it, and obviously win, I've not touched a drop for over 15 years. I even never drank while my 2nd wife was making fun of me for not drinking when I came to pick her up when she was drinking with the guys from work (they all poked their fun, so it wasn't just her, it just hurt worse because it was her). It makes me uncomfortable to get drinks for others, but I do because I am a nice guy. At the Christmas party one of the ladies asked me to get her a drink while she was going to check on her son. Jack and coke, 2/3 jack, one coke, I can still remember the scent of that drink better than I can the rose bushes all over town. THAT is alcoholism, the problem is gone, but I can never
I'm sorry for having been so insensitive on this subject:-O Sometimes i forget that there are nice people like you that only turn to drinking to deal with the unimaginable pain like that you have suffered, rather than to let themselves forget their small personal shortcomings. I would imagine people in your situation would drink alone and try to keep themselves in control, which is unlike our roommate and former business partner (we've got the upstairs of the house and he's got the downstairs) who is almost the complete match to be a subject of this thread, having been drinking a bottle of cheap red wine every evening to get to sleep and then downsized to only two glasses. And my response was aimed at those like him. I'm sure that unlike him, you didn't scream "i love you" (which my mom found especially creepy) followed about an hour later by an "i'm gonna starve you to death" (since we share a fridge). He then tried to stay true to what he said and piled on as much food as he could every time he went to eat, even if he knew he couldn't eat it all. He ended up throwing away about a third of his meal every time. He threw away some potatoes(raw, but too small for him to know how to cook them, they were my Moms), which i fished back out of the kitchen disposer and washed with soap and water since i can't stand seeing perfectly good food go to waste. We ended up taking most of the dry food(pasta, flour, sugar, some spices, etc.) upstairs until he stopped. We are currently packing everything to move out. It's sometimes almost like a circus, except for it's not an especially funny subject.:sigh: But no one should have to go thru what you've been thru in your personal life. It's too much for anyone. I hope you'll never have to take that kind of abuse again. I just can't imagine how someone could not see that men are people too. With feelings and needs just like women. But having listened to Dr. Laura [^]for a while when there was nothing else good on the radio, it seems like it's happening too often. But didn't the feminist movement fight for equality at first? And about addiction, i would say it's almost always more than half mental. And it's the mental part that always comes back to haunt you. I can relate to that. With smoking it's not that hard to break the physical addiction, but then the difficult part is having to fight your own mind and not get sucked back into