J# finally bites the dust
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now I've got that song stuck in my head. you know which song.. on topic : J# was obvious as poor attempt to have something in .NET that would rival Java. It was about time that they stopped trying to make a proper language out of it.
Ericos Georgiades
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Since customers have told us that the existing J# feature set largely meets their needs and usage of J# is declining Doesn't that seem, um, contradictory? If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing? :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing?
Agreed and also if it meets their needs why would you then have plans to remove the feature?
John
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the J# feature set is good, and doesn't need changing. the language is declining. thus they discontinue it.
Ericos Georgiades
ad3z wrote:
the language is declining.
Why is it declining? It obviously isn't meeting some need, right? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
the J# feature set is good, and doesn't need changing. the language is declining. thus they discontinue it.
Ericos Georgiades
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ad3z wrote:
the language is declining.
Why is it declining? It obviously isn't meeting some need, right? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI guess what Microsoft means that when a product needs advancement, doesn't fully meet your needs and it's usage inclines, then (and only then) should they continue to advance the technology.
Ericos Georgiades
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Since customers have told us that the existing J# feature set largely meets their needs and usage of J# is declining Doesn't that seem, um, contradictory? If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing? :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithThese must be the same customers who demand 1500 different kinds of useless gradients in every damn GUI control. Or the same customers who demanded that "Add/Remove Programs" should be renamed to "Program Files"*! *I would seriously like to give a Mega-Wedgie to whomever OK'd that change.
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A sad day for those of us who enjoyed making J# jokes :-(
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Since customers have told us that the existing J# feature set largely meets their needs and usage of J# is declining Doesn't that seem, um, contradictory? If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing? :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
:(( All those years of intensive J# study down the drain. Whatever shall I do?! ;P
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Serious question? J# is an implementation of the Java language and libraries, version 1.1, for the .NET CLR, including Microsoft's proprietary extensions that were what caused Sun to withdraw Microsoft's right to produce Visual J++. As such, the J++ feature set was pretty much locked-off as of version 1.0. It was intended for people to migrate their J++ applications to .NET, but in practice, people found that migrating them to C# was just as easy or even easier. See for example this case study[^].
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ad3z wrote:
the language is declining.
Why is it declining? It obviously isn't meeting some need, right? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Why is it declining?
J# served one purpose: to move Java projects to .NET easily. I used it to convert a large Java project to the .NET world relatively painlessly. But no one wants to maintain that in the long run. Its usage is declining because now those projects are being moved to a first class .NET citizen language, like C# or VB.NET.
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Serious question? J# is an implementation of the Java language and libraries, version 1.1, for the .NET CLR, including Microsoft's proprietary extensions that were what caused Sun to withdraw Microsoft's right to produce Visual J++. As such, the J++ feature set was pretty much locked-off as of version 1.0. It was intended for people to migrate their J++ applications to .NET, but in practice, people found that migrating them to C# was just as easy or even easier. See for example this case study[^].
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Mike Dimmick wrote:
but in practice, people found that migrating them to C# was just as easy or even easier
I disagree. I just ported a large Java app over to a J# winforms app and it was easy. I tried converting to C#, but there were so many tedious manual conversions to work out, it just wasn't worth it.
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well thats good cos its been biting a*s ever since it was unleashed on the world if ever there was a more pointless development product from ms ive yet to discover it :cool:
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I could see that one coming, last week I had a discussion with a fellow consultant on the usage of J# and it seems we were right, it isn't popular.
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I expected it not to last long. I couldn't see it as being any more than a transitional migration tool for the few J++ apps that were around.
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A sad day for the three people still using J#... :-O
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That is amazing to me. I would not think MS would "drop" any language for .NET as it tries to be everything to everyone. Does not seem like it would take that many resources to keep the language where it is for years to come. Guess Java people are more comfortable just moving to C# :)
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I expected it not to last long. I couldn't see it as being any more than a transitional migration tool for the few J++ apps that were around.
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Since customers have told us that the existing J# feature set largely meets their needs and usage of J# is declining Doesn't that seem, um, contradictory? If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing? :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI think that it's something like 5 developers are using it and are content with what the language has to offer. 5 developers is too few justify development costs, so they stop producing it. (Ok, 5 developers is indeed a bit on the extreme side, but you get my point)
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Since customers have told us that the existing J# feature set largely meets their needs and usage of J# is declining Doesn't that seem, um, contradictory? If something meets your needs, wouldn't you expect to see usage increasing? :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI actually read that as "largely met their needs". It was a conversion helper, not a serious development platform. All I can say is: About time.
cheers, Chris Maunder
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