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    Hamed Musavi
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    Microsoft & Google should cease fire This is a very personal idea or decision, but I think they could be two great powers in the world, if they were not attacking each other's territory. Microsoft is best on desktop and Google on web. It's like Boeing produces a car to compete with General Motors. I hate watching Google creating software's that has less quality than Microsoft's software's, and also Microsoft doing just the same on the web, and the result: a lot of resources like genus energy, a lot of money, invaluable time, etc is wasted every year in US for a competition that is just beneficial for newspapers or other news media. A competition that does not lead to a better software or any improvement of any kind. Just dream for a second, that the two companies were friends. What a strong power could be created in the world of software. Both would be more focused, and the result was a set of perfect products for end users. I believe no one can do all things together, but seems that some one doesn't understand it, and I still read a lot of articles in newspaper about a new competition. Some newspapers are thinking just to their own benefits. I still see some newspaper trying to convince users that application will be replaced by web sites. What a stupid idea. These are newsmakers not newspapers.

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      Microsoft & Google should cease fire This is a very personal idea or decision, but I think they could be two great powers in the world, if they were not attacking each other's territory. Microsoft is best on desktop and Google on web. It's like Boeing produces a car to compete with General Motors. I hate watching Google creating software's that has less quality than Microsoft's software's, and also Microsoft doing just the same on the web, and the result: a lot of resources like genus energy, a lot of money, invaluable time, etc is wasted every year in US for a competition that is just beneficial for newspapers or other news media. A competition that does not lead to a better software or any improvement of any kind. Just dream for a second, that the two companies were friends. What a strong power could be created in the world of software. Both would be more focused, and the result was a set of perfect products for end users. I believe no one can do all things together, but seems that some one doesn't understand it, and I still read a lot of articles in newspaper about a new competition. Some newspapers are thinking just to their own benefits. I still see some newspaper trying to convince users that application will be replaced by web sites. What a stupid idea. These are newsmakers not newspapers.

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      Rocky Moore
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      They are large corporations, they will never be friends, they are heading in the same directions. If you have not noticed, the desktop world is slowly vanishing... One day, almost all applications will reside on the web!

      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: Continuing frustration with web "standards" Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?

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        They are large corporations, they will never be friends, they are heading in the same directions. If you have not noticed, the desktop world is slowly vanishing... One day, almost all applications will reside on the web!

        Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: Continuing frustration with web "standards" Latest Tech Blog Post: Corel Lightning - what is the plan?

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        Rajesh R Subramanian
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        ASP.NET Runtime error: Error Occured in: BootWindows.aspx Error Type: Object reference not set to an object Windows is booting...


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          ASP.NET Runtime error: Error Occured in: BootWindows.aspx Error Type: Object reference not set to an object Windows is booting...


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          brahmma wrote:

          ASP.NET Runtime error:

          Well there's your problem..... [Please don't take this too seriously]

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            Microsoft & Google should cease fire This is a very personal idea or decision, but I think they could be two great powers in the world, if they were not attacking each other's territory. Microsoft is best on desktop and Google on web. It's like Boeing produces a car to compete with General Motors. I hate watching Google creating software's that has less quality than Microsoft's software's, and also Microsoft doing just the same on the web, and the result: a lot of resources like genus energy, a lot of money, invaluable time, etc is wasted every year in US for a competition that is just beneficial for newspapers or other news media. A competition that does not lead to a better software or any improvement of any kind. Just dream for a second, that the two companies were friends. What a strong power could be created in the world of software. Both would be more focused, and the result was a set of perfect products for end users. I believe no one can do all things together, but seems that some one doesn't understand it, and I still read a lot of articles in newspaper about a new competition. Some newspapers are thinking just to their own benefits. I still see some newspaper trying to convince users that application will be replaced by web sites. What a stupid idea. These are newsmakers not newspapers.

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            Joe Woodbury
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            I totally disagree. Competition is very healthy and the more competition both companies have, the better it is for consumers. The software you use today is of the quality it is because of competition. Do you even know what it was like when IBM ran the show? Or when UNIX companies charged $5000 for utter crap software? Twenty-one years ago, I was taking CAD classes at University using hardware that took up a closet, required several people to maintain and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Today, I can buy CAD software at Walmart for $49 that is massively more powerful than the best CAD software of 1986. One of those CAD systems had a whopping 5MB hard disk with a platter pack that was eighteen inches in diameter and about six inches tall. You placed the pack in a box that was three feet tall and which shook like crazy when spun up. Do you think any of this would have happened without competition? We all joke about how Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, etc. software is bad, but in truth, it's remarkably good by historical standards. It can do things we could barely dream of in the 80s. I can remember having Windows 3.x lock up constantly and crashing the Mac just because I copied too many files to floppies. The reality is that without competition between Apple and Microsoft, the Macintosh and Windows would not be where they are today. If Google and Microsoft were friends, their software would stagnate. GMail would never get out of beta (until Google actually has to use it as a revenue source and compete against Yahoo, it probably never will.) In truth, the biggest problem with Google and Microsoft is they don't have enough quality competitors. For example, if the Mac had even, say, 25% market share, I can guarantee Vista would be more stable and of higher quality. Other examples: AMD created the awesome Athlon 64 because of competition with Intel, not in spite of it. In response, Intel created the even more awesome Core Duo. Would Boeing have created the 777 and the expanded body 747 (with new wings) without Airbus? Hondas are probably the highest quality the average person can afford. Without competition, they'd be no better than Ladas. Finally, I'm a big fan of the desktop, but there are plenty of applications that either have a strong web component or are completely web based. This is especially true in company intranets. Even apps that are best as desktop apps, may be appropriate as web apps for casual users. (One thing to make clear, though, is that many so-called web apps are r

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              brahmma wrote:

              ASP.NET Runtime error:

              Well there's your problem..... [Please don't take this too seriously]

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              Rajesh R Subramanian
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              Bradml wrote:

              [Please don't take this too seriously]

              Brad, I wasn't voting you down.. Just for ur info..


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                Bradml wrote:

                [Please don't take this too seriously]

                Brad, I wasn't voting you down.. Just for ur info..


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                That wasn't directed at you, it is just a bit irritating that I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.


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                  That wasn't directed at you, it is just a bit irritating that I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.


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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  There's such a thing as PHP jokes?

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                    That wasn't directed at you, it is just a bit irritating that I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.


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                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                    Bradml wrote:

                    I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.

                    This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..


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                      Bradml wrote:

                      I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.

                      This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..


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                      Joe Woodbury
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                      I voted you down just to see if the banner would change colors. You had no votes, but was red, but a different color of red, so I assumed you did a trick to do that. Just curiosity--I happen to agree with you.

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                        There's such a thing as PHP jokes?

                        Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                        Bradml
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                        What do you call ASP.net without functionality?


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                          Bradml wrote:

                          I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.

                          This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..


                          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா

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                          Bradml
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                          I completely ignored the guy who voted every one of my posts down the other day, because I don't have time to worry about one little idiot, but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating.


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                            I voted you down just to see if the banner would change colors. You had no votes, but was red, but a different color of red, so I assumed you did a trick to do that. Just curiosity--I happen to agree with you.

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                            Rajesh R Subramanian
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                            Joe Woodbury wrote:

                            You had no votes, but was red,

                            Dont tell me that you didn't know how. Haven't you seen people having their name in blue, orange, green etc., colors? <font color=red> brahmma </font> will do the trick. :)


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                              Joe Woodbury wrote:

                              You had no votes, but was red,

                              Dont tell me that you didn't know how. Haven't you seen people having their name in blue, orange, green etc., colors? <font color=red> brahmma </font> will do the trick. :)


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                              Joe Woodbury
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                              On names, but it didn't occur to me that it would work on titles. I assumed Chris would have done something to prevent that. On the bright side, you can make the title gray and vote down your own posts before anyone else!

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                                On names, but it didn't occur to me that it would work on titles. I assumed Chris would have done something to prevent that. On the bright side, you can make the title gray and vote down your own posts before anyone else!

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                                Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                It won't work on post titles. There is no way you could make your title red, or gray unless you are given 5 votes or 1 votes, respectively.


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                                  What do you call ASP.net without functionality?


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                                  Joe Woodbury
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                                  I was thinking more on the lines of "PHP walks into a bar..."

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                                    It won't work on post titles. There is no way you could make your title red, or gray unless you are given 5 votes or 1 votes, respectively.


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                                    Joe Woodbury
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                                    Hmm, then there must be a subtle bug that made your post title come out red to me without any recorded votes.

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                                      I was thinking more on the lines of "PHP walks into a bar..."

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                                      Bradml
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                                      :laugh: Ouch!


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                                        I completely ignored the guy who voted every one of my posts down the other day, because I don't have time to worry about one little idiot, but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating.


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                                        Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                        Bradml wrote:

                                        but the fact that people are doing this as part of the community is very frustrating

                                        I'm not saying you're wrong, but, ahem, we've experienced a single individual creating, umm, multiple accounts to, err, downvote pages and pages of forums. When I visited those forums for the first time, my reaction was "What the hell happened in here?" :wtf:

                                        Cheers, Vikram.


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                                          Bradml wrote:

                                          I endure PHP jokes to no end but make a few ASP.net ones and get voted down by a few small minded people. It isn't a question of location, it is a question of respect.

                                          This has become very common. There is plenty of knee-jerk voting going on and I think we just need to ignore whenever we get downvoted for no reason. But I totally agree with you that it irritates a lot. But I keep wondering why they do it.. What is the pleasure they get by downvoting for no reason..


                                          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero ப்ரம்மா

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                                          Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                          brahmma wrote:

                                          knee-jerk voting

                                          Drive-by 1-voting. :-D

                                          Cheers, Vikram.


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