Handguns
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes.
Wow, you must live or work in (or commute through) a really dangerous area. :omg: [I'm not judging you - this is just a comment.] /ravi
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I saw a gun on the Discovery Channel that fires 6 grenades in under 30 seconds. I'd be going for that, if I was buying a gun. Of course, being an Aussie, I have the option of living in a country that's safer precisely because no-one can just go and buy a gun :-)
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I'll be going through the training anyway, so I might as well get the permit. The chances of my ever carrying a gun with me is incredibly low, but why not give myself the option to make that decision later?
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
why not give myself the option to make that decision later?
I guess there is a certain logic in that - personally I would be so incredibly paranoid if I was carrying a gun I'd prolly have a coronary. I saw a statistic once about the number of Americans who lose their guns in a year. Just lose them. Staggering. :omg:
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartFWIW, I am no firearms expert, but I really like the Sig Sauer P226[^]. (I cannot seem to find the Manuf. site/page for the gun.) Smooth action, consistent, and the thing never jammed up on me, even with using reloads at the range. Small(er) and easy to handle, not too heavy... Peace!
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brianwelsch wrote:
I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes.
Wow, you must live or work in (or commute through) a really dangerous area. :omg: [I'm not judging you - this is just a comment.] /ravi
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While crime isn't unknown where I live, I don't live with any fear for my safety. I think of it more like this. When I bought my first bicycle I bought a hybrid, so that I could use it both for street riding as well as the occasional trail ride. More bang for the buck, so to speak. It's really the same thinking. If I'm going to get a gun, why not consider the off-chance that I'd actually need one for self-defense?
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
Was that on Future Weaponry? I caught that show recently and they had a virtually recoil-free shotgun with a 32-cartridge magazine. Two of them could be rigged up on a turret that was outfitted with a wireless joystick for complete control. :cool: Can you purchase any guns for use at a firing range at all?
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
Can you purchase any guns for use at a firing range at all?
If you get a permit. I think the gun also has to be registered and live at the range.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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brianwelsch wrote:
why not give myself the option to make that decision later?
I guess there is a certain logic in that - personally I would be so incredibly paranoid if I was carrying a gun I'd prolly have a coronary. I saw a statistic once about the number of Americans who lose their guns in a year. Just lose them. Staggering. :omg:
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
Right now, I agree. I would not have the cajones to carry a gun with me. I may never, but there's no harm in having the permit.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
brianwelsch wrote:
Can you purchase any guns for use at a firing range at all?
If you get a permit. I think the gun also has to be registered and live at the range.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Fair enough.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
Christian Graus wrote:
I have the option of living in a country that's safer
But doesn't the natural life of Australia, as one writer put it, "harbor more things that can kill you in extremely nasty ways than anywhere else, including sharks, crocodiles, snakes..."
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
See, I've heard that, and I don't buy it. In my house I regularly kill scorpions and redback spiders. I've had lots of spider bites. I carry a tourniquet if I go on the far side of the property, although I've never seen a snake on my actual land. But, that's a small price to pay IMO to live in a country lacking in bears, wolves and cougars.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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brianwelsch wrote:
I will be getting a concealed weapons permit
Why?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartWell first of all I'll just say that we don't have any hand-guns (not allowed here in Britain) but do have: 2x .22 rim-fire Rifles (one of them is an octagonal barrelled Jeffrey's rifle, one of 8 in the world I think). 1x .243 center-fire (for deer stalking in Scotland) 1x firearms power .22 air-rifle[^] (don't underestimate this baby, will go straight through rabbits at 100yds) 1x Browning Ultra XS 12G[^] which I'll be bringing out with me to America next month. 1x Charles Lancaster 12G Side-by-side (150yrs old give or take a few) 1x El Chimbo .410 side-by-side hammer shotgun 1x air-pistol 1x old air-rifle
brianwelsch wrote:
regarding caliber
Not sure for pistols but rifle's it's generally considered the Springfield .303 for shotgun's it's a 12 bore.
brianwelsch wrote:
brands
Anything Russian for pistols / rifles I would think, English if shotguns.
brianwelsch wrote:
features
As few as possible, less things to go wrong.
brianwelsch wrote:
Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned?
Not really, it's all the same process, a bronze-brush, wool brush and a little bit of oil.
brianwelsch wrote:
What should I look for regarding locking the gun
Something that will lock the firing pin, preferably blocking it so that it can't accidentally go off. I don't know if pistol's have this but most shotguns have something like that. If you're going for a hammer gun it's one of the safest because you never cock it before you're ready to fire and it's very obvious whether it's cocked or not.
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartYet another reason for mandatory national military service. I got my gun lust out of my system during my time in the Army and NG.
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See, I've heard that, and I don't buy it. In my house I regularly kill scorpions and redback spiders. I've had lots of spider bites. I carry a tourniquet if I go on the far side of the property, although I've never seen a snake on my actual land. But, that's a small price to pay IMO to live in a country lacking in bears, wolves and cougars.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
I've never been face to face with a bear, wolf, or cougar outside of a zoo. Rattlesnakes, scorpians, and black widows are a different story.
This statement was never false.
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I've never been face to face with a bear, wolf, or cougar outside of a zoo. Rattlesnakes, scorpians, and black widows are a different story.
This statement was never false.
You've had to face all those things ? Then I guess it's about the same.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartIf you didn't grow up around guns I would highly recommend a safety course. Double Action means you can pull the trigger to cock and fire while single action means you manually cock and then fire. Although most double action revolvers are also single action you should check. My personal favorite was my S&W .45 acp. The metal on metal sound when you pull the slide back is enough to make any burglar in the night runaway. Also, depending on your State a concealed permit may offer you no additional rights over a non-concealed permit. Be safe and fire the weapon before you buy it.
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartI recommend pistols. Easier to shoot IMHO. That makes it better as a gun for the shooting range as well as self protection. As for safety - common sense is the deciding factor. If a gun doesn't have a safety switch, or if it involves a 35-step sequence or inhuman physiology to switch it, then don't buy it. Remember that it is you who is supposed to feel comfortable with the safety switch. :) .32 is an excellent choice of caliber. It's perfect at the shooting range (nice recoil), and it WILL do some serious damage to a human body. Make sure to explore the different types of shooting. There are many forms which are totally different from each other, but all very entertaining. The only downside is that many forms require their own type of gun.
-- They don't really want you to play "Freebird". They're just heckling you!
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If you didn't grow up around guns I would highly recommend a safety course. Double Action means you can pull the trigger to cock and fire while single action means you manually cock and then fire. Although most double action revolvers are also single action you should check. My personal favorite was my S&W .45 acp. The metal on metal sound when you pull the slide back is enough to make any burglar in the night runaway. Also, depending on your State a concealed permit may offer you no additional rights over a non-concealed permit. Be safe and fire the weapon before you buy it.
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Dude.. you've got a potty mouth! :-D
-- They don't really want you to play "Freebird". They're just heckling you!
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Yet another reason for mandatory national military service. I got my gun lust out of my system during my time in the Army and NG.
Some people use guns like other people use dart arrows. It's not about the bang or the "coolness factor". It's about becoming better at what you do. That is never bad.
-- They don't really want you to play "Freebird". They're just heckling you!
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartIf you want to buy a gun that looks good, then I agree - there's nothing like that Dirty Harry look. If you want to buy a gun for social situations, then you should consider something like the Smith & Wesson Model 638 Bodyguard Airweight. This gun has a shrouded hammer, which is ideal for quick pulling out of a pocket, and it only weighs 15oz. But for home defense, I would recommend a Sig Sauer in either .40 or .45 caliber (my favorite). The .40 caliber (also known as the FBI round) was specially developed for the FBI after a drug shootout in Florida, where the agents' puny 9 cal rounds were bouncing off windshields - less recoil than a .45, but much more lethal than a 9mm. Check out the Sigs if you are going to buy an auto - this is a favorite of law enforcement, because it has no safety - you can draw and fire without having to pull back the hammer (as you have to with Glocks, etc.). The Sigs are also extremely easy to strip & clean. Finally, if you want a high-end auto, look at the line of Kimber guns. Very well-made, won't jam even if very dirty. For ammo, look at the Glaser Safety Slug - this is ideal for home defense, because it won't penetrate walls, while at the same time it will fragment inside the body, thus almost guaranteeing 100% fatalities.
