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1. Of course they can...its all about drive and creativity 2. No. 3. I am 30. I used to be a programmer, worked my way "up" to manager, quit and went back to being a programmer. I think there is a certain mentality and ownership / maturity that makes it OK to be the one doing the work and not the one "managing" the work. If you are a good carpenter and enjoy your work do you want to be "promoted" to manager and just oversee other's work, not getting to do it yourself?
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I think you need to define what you mean. I think everyone is misunderstanding you a little bit. There's nothing wrong with *programming* as your primary role at 35+. But if your job title is *programmer* at 35, yes I think something is wrong. By that age you should be project lead, senior programmer, architect etc. But if you're still taking specs and just churning out code pretty much exactly like you were when you were 25, IMO you're not advancing yourself. But yeah if that truly is your passion and all you care to do, and you're happy with your pay, why not - nothing strictly *wrong* with it I guess. So my answers to your questions: 1) If you want to remain ordinary programmer through your career, and don't mind reporting to someone who "overtakes" you - e.g someone a few years your junior - then go ahead and do it. 2) i think there is sometimes a perception that younger programmers are more up to date with newer technology than dinosaurs who started their career 20 years ago :) 3) if you're still a regular programmer at 35 years old, and have not attained a more senior role, yes I think you do need to advance yourself in some way - urgently ;) You asked for an opinion, you got one :)
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I think you need to define what you mean. I think everyone is misunderstanding you a little bit. There's nothing wrong with *programming* as your primary role at 35+. But if your job title is *programmer* at 35, yes I think something is wrong. By that age you should be project lead, senior programmer, architect etc. But if you're still taking specs and just churning out code pretty much exactly like you were when you were 25, IMO you're not advancing yourself. But yeah if that truly is your passion and all you care to do, and you're happy with your pay, why not - nothing strictly *wrong* with it I guess. So my answers to your questions: 1) If you want to remain ordinary programmer through your career, and don't mind reporting to someone who "overtakes" you - e.g someone a few years your junior - then go ahead and do it. 2) i think there is sometimes a perception that younger programmers are more up to date with newer technology than dinosaurs who started their career 20 years ago :) 3) if you're still a regular programmer at 35 years old, and have not attained a more senior role, yes I think you do need to advance yourself in some way - urgently ;) You asked for an opinion, you got one :)
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。guiqul163 wrote:
2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information?
Not in the US, that would be illegal.
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。1. I personally think that it's a good thing to have people that age or older in the company. It means that the company has got experience doing various projects. 2. The company I work for even recruits people with the age of 30+. They need them because otherwise the younger employees don't get coached and they loose customers because of poor results. 3. Nah, I think it's perfectly fine to be programmer at that age. But I sure hope he's senior by then.
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1. I personally think that it's a good thing to have people that age or older in the company. It means that the company has got experience doing various projects. 2. The company I work for even recruits people with the age of 30+. They need them because otherwise the younger employees don't get coached and they loose customers because of poor results. 3. Nah, I think it's perfectly fine to be programmer at that age. But I sure hope he's senior by then.
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1. I personally think that it's a good thing to have people that age or older in the company. It means that the company has got experience doing various projects. 2. The company I work for even recruits people with the age of 30+. They need them because otherwise the younger employees don't get coached and they loose customers because of poor results. 3. Nah, I think it's perfectly fine to be programmer at that age. But I sure hope he's senior by then.
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WillemM wrote:
But I sure hope he's senior by then
Exactly.. and a senior programmer is not "just a programmer" as he puts it. You should grow & move up in some way or another.
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I think there is a case of ageism where certain companies prefer younger people. This seems to be primarily down to cost rather than anything else, because an older person has more experience and would generally want more pay than some 20 year old. I don't think that you lose face if you're a programmer after 35 years old. Why should you? If you want to stay coding, then you should be paid comensurate with your experience rather than job title. I'm over 35, and while my job title is actually Managing Director, I still prefer to think of myself as a developer. I spend about 20% of my working life managing my company, and the rest of the time I spend coding. I don't look down on the other developers - I started the company which is why I get the job title, but I'm just another developer in the company.
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。Hi, 1. I think programmers get more experienced by the years so i would day yes they can do the job even better while getting older. 2. Some companies are limiting the age of programmers they are looking for because they are cheaper i quess but age discrimination is not allowed were I live so companies use descriptive lanquage such as 'young , dynamic, recently graduted etc, so it happens and they get where they are asking for:) 3. No
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。guiqul163 wrote:
2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information?
guiqul163 wrote:
1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old?
older the better. Dunno haven't looked lately.
guiqul163 wrote:
3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
Nope.
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I think there is a case of ageism where certain companies prefer younger people. This seems to be primarily down to cost rather than anything else, because an older person has more experience and would generally want more pay than some 20 year old. I don't think that you lose face if you're a programmer after 35 years old. Why should you? If you want to stay coding, then you should be paid comensurate with your experience rather than job title. I'm over 35, and while my job title is actually Managing Director, I still prefer to think of myself as a developer. I spend about 20% of my working life managing my company, and the rest of the time I spend coding. I don't look down on the other developers - I started the company which is why I get the job title, but I'm just another developer in the company.
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think there is a case of ageism where certain companies prefer younger people. This seems to be primarily down to cost rather than anything else, because an older person has more experience and would generally want more pay than some 20 year old.
Exactly and the old saying goes "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".
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1. Do you think people cann't do this job(Programmer) after 30 or 35 years old? 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? 3. Do you think that's lose face if someone is still a programmer(just a programmer, not a manager) after 35 years old?
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。1. I am 36, working hard on 37 years old. 2. I have not had anyone tell me that I am too old, but I have recently came across 3 jobs in Jacksonville, FL that said that they are looking for "someone more Junior that they can mentor". 3. I have often wondered if this point holds any merit. I am currently a programmer/Analyst for my current contract. I have done the work of a Sr. PA, but not had the title. Personally, if I had read my resume' with the anticipation of hiring me, I would wonder why I was not a manager yet. Was there something wrong with me? The actual answer is that I hate meetings. I would rather write the code, not sit in meeting discussing how we should have it done! Management seems to get more and more disconnected from the code the higher up the ladder they go! I'd rather not do that if I can help it, but I do believe that I'm going to have to put some management experience on my resume' soon or I will start getting those kinds of looks from recruiters/HR people!
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guiqul163 wrote:
2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information?
Not in the US, that would be illegal.
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guiqul163 wrote: 2. Have you found this condition that the company limit the age in its recruitment information? Not in the US, that would be illegal.
Mike, I wish that were true. However, instead of saying "20-25 years old", they just use "junior developer", "recent graduate", or "0-2 years experience" and tell you that "you're over qualified", "This position would be boring for you", or (my presonal favorite) "We've gone with a candidate that we can mentor". Discrimination is still there, just hidden by the company's attorney!
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