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you know its prolly not related but my laptop got killed a few weeks ago by a windows update ... ive had to fix 3 friends laptops that got killed in the same way and now you have 3 servers die after an update do you think there are some quality control issues going on or are they not bothering so much with anything that isnt vista anymore as an added incentive to make us upgrade? just curious...
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My Desktop too.
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My Desktop too.
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What happened to your Desktop Colin.
Regards, Satips.
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Actually 3 servers. The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead. We can resurrect them but soon enough they lock up and give you those nasty error pages. This is, to say the least, incredibly frustrating but we give up and will upgrade servers that were actually among out more reliable ones until last week to Win2003. So - until we can pull them out we'll be down 3 servers which means more load for the others and the potential for more error 500's. I'm sorry :(
cheers, Chris Maunder
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The most common reason in my personal experience is that a downloaded package is corrupt. So as soon as the automatic updates service starts to unpack, the msi.dll kills Svchost.exe and a lot of services dies with it. My solution is to turn off automatic updates (not the service), restart, use windows update, restart if necessary and turn on automatic updates again. /Jörgen
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Thanks for the heads up. It's nice to know why things are (potentially) broken. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. At the very least, it makes the 500s more tolerable.
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Is it industry standard to have Automatic Updates set to "Automatic" on production servers? I've always thought that Automatic Updates are done manually (controlled) on Production Servers... But I'm just a developer who has nothing to do with network admin...:)
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<serious>They're still releasing updates for 2K? I thought it was out of support by now</serious>
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i think they carry on support for 5 years after a server version is replaced. I guess that'll be 2008 sometime. Russ
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<serious>They're still releasing updates for 2K? I thought it was out of support by now</serious>
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Actually 3 servers. The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead. We can resurrect them but soon enough they lock up and give you those nasty error pages. This is, to say the least, incredibly frustrating but we give up and will upgrade servers that were actually among out more reliable ones until last week to Win2003. So - until we can pull them out we'll be down 3 servers which means more load for the others and the potential for more error 500's. I'm sorry :(
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Like this? You have a link which update this is? I have a similar problem with a (non-microsoft) mail server/proxy on a W2K box. (We currently offer "e-mail - on - demand" to our co-workers - i.e. everytime they need e-mail, they have to ask..)
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What happened to your Desktop Colin.
Regards, Satips.
Colin couldnt get a program to compile, and out came the baseball bat..:rolleyes:
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Perhaps if Jack Welch knew of Windows Update he would have added point 14: 14. If GM made cars like Microsoft, mechanics would sneak into your garage at night and add the latest set of production faults to old faithful. A GM spokesperson said "We think all drivers should experience the thrill that the test driver gets behind the wheel of the first car off the production line. We consider that the added uncertainty of not knowing when your car will regain that 'new model' feeling achieves our objective of making the ownership experience more thrilling, something more akin to a rollercoaster ride in the dark".
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a manoeuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require
cp9876 wrote:
13. You would press the 'start' button to shut off the engine.
On a Toyota Yaris you would. (Only the high end models with keyless entry)
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Perhaps if Jack Welch knew of Windows Update he would have added point 14: 14. If GM made cars like Microsoft, mechanics would sneak into your garage at night and add the latest set of production faults to old faithful. A GM spokesperson said "We think all drivers should experience the thrill that the test driver gets behind the wheel of the first car off the production line. We consider that the added uncertainty of not knowing when your car will regain that 'new model' feeling achieves our objective of making the ownership experience more thrilling, something more akin to a rollercoaster ride in the dark".
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a manoeuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require
That's what you get for $25
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Actually 3 servers. The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead. We can resurrect them but soon enough they lock up and give you those nasty error pages. This is, to say the least, incredibly frustrating but we give up and will upgrade servers that were actually among out more reliable ones until last week to Win2003. So - until we can pull them out we'll be down 3 servers which means more load for the others and the potential for more error 500's. I'm sorry :(
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead.
The reason why enterprise customers want to test updates before deploying them to production. :rolleyes: Unfortunately, with the Windows patch of the hour coming out as scheduled the task becomes monumental. X|
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i think they carry on support for 5 years after a server version is replaced. I guess that'll be 2008 sometime. Russ
I think Microsoft (Bill Gates you listening?) should work on getting it right first, instead of letting marketing tell them that they have to push Sh-X out the door. Retooling (recoding) takes time and you have to be willing to take the time to get the kinks worked out. People should be clamering to get the product not have it shoved down their throats. While we are on the subject of Stupid stuff. What the Hxll good has WGA been, it seems to be installing every month? I would turn off updates but some updates can't be got unless WGA is installed. I guess Microsoft is like most people they name their pets the opposite of what they are, like naming a white dog Midnight or a teacup dog killer. I guess that explains Windows Genuine (dis)Advantage. Not to sound parinoid but I wonder when these AutoUpdates will wind up killing machines on a global scale. I can hear the MS line now, "well just reinstall the os... oops a lot of you didn't get one, well use your restore.. oh the OS is dead.. Well call your OEM I don't want to hear about it." Take care and be afraid..very afraid...
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you know its prolly not related but my laptop got killed a few weeks ago by a windows update ... ive had to fix 3 friends laptops that got killed in the same way and now you have 3 servers die after an update do you think there are some quality control issues going on or are they not bothering so much with anything that isnt vista anymore as an added incentive to make us upgrade? just curious...
"there is no spoon" {me}
l a u r e n wrote:
do you think there are some quality control issues going on
Do you mean new quality control issues or just the same old ones that have been around for years? :confused:
l a u r e n wrote:
or are they not bothering so much with anything that isnt vista anymore as an added incentive to make us upgrade?
Nothing new with this policy either! X|
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Perhaps if Jack Welch knew of Windows Update he would have added point 14: 14. If GM made cars like Microsoft, mechanics would sneak into your garage at night and add the latest set of production faults to old faithful. A GM spokesperson said "We think all drivers should experience the thrill that the test driver gets behind the wheel of the first car off the production line. We consider that the added uncertainty of not knowing when your car will regain that 'new model' feeling achieves our objective of making the ownership experience more thrilling, something more akin to a rollercoaster ride in the dark".
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a manoeuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require
Bill Gates said:
we would all be driving $25.00 cars
Is Windows Vista $25.00? :rolleyes: At that price I think I'll try it! :~
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Is it industry standard to have Automatic Updates set to "Automatic" on production servers? I've always thought that Automatic Updates are done manually (controlled) on Production Servers... But I'm just a developer who has nothing to do with network admin...:)
Adriaan Davel wrote:
Is it industry standard to have Automatic Updates set to "Automatic" on production servers?
No! :rolleyes:
Adriaan Davel wrote:
I've always thought that Automatic Updates are done manually (controlled) on Production Servers...
Yes! :rolleyes:
Adriaan Davel wrote:
But I'm just a developer who has nothing to do with network admin...
You sound more qualified than a lot of Admins I have worked with. :~
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Perhaps if Jack Welch knew of Windows Update he would have added point 14: 14. If GM made cars like Microsoft, mechanics would sneak into your garage at night and add the latest set of production faults to old faithful. A GM spokesperson said "We think all drivers should experience the thrill that the test driver gets behind the wheel of the first car off the production line. We consider that the added uncertainty of not knowing when your car will regain that 'new model' feeling achieves our objective of making the ownership experience more thrilling, something more akin to a rollercoaster ride in the dark".
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release (by Mr. Welch himself) stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally, executing a manoeuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
4. When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
6. Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
8. New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
11. GM would require
While I must admit to a chuckle or two from your post, I'm a little confused by the association of Jack Welch and General Motors... Jack Welch was longtime CEO of General Electric, replaced a few years ago by one of his proteges, Jeffery Immelt. I would be somewhat surprised if General Motors released a press release "by Mr. Welch himself".
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Actually 3 servers. The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead. We can resurrect them but soon enough they lock up and give you those nasty error pages. This is, to say the least, incredibly frustrating but we give up and will upgrade servers that were actually among out more reliable ones until last week to Win2003. So - until we can pull them out we'll be down 3 servers which means more load for the others and the potential for more error 500's. I'm sorry :(
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Windows Automatic Update was renamed last week to Automatic Upgrade. Er, didn't you get the memo?
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you know its prolly not related but my laptop got killed a few weeks ago by a windows update ... ive had to fix 3 friends laptops that got killed in the same way and now you have 3 servers die after an update do you think there are some quality control issues going on or are they not bothering so much with anything that isnt vista anymore as an added incentive to make us upgrade? just curious...
"there is no spoon" {me}
l a u r e n wrote:
do you think there are some quality control issues going on
No more than usual. Updates have been killing my computers for many years. Last week they even killed AutoCAD and VWD Express on WinXP. The only reason they haven't killed my server yet is that I haven't allowed automatic updates on it.
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While I must admit to a chuckle or two from your post, I'm a little confused by the association of Jack Welch and General Motors... Jack Welch was longtime CEO of General Electric, replaced a few years ago by one of his proteges, Jeffery Immelt. I would be somewhat surprised if General Motors released a press release "by Mr. Welch himself".
a_horse_with_no_name wrote:
While I must admit to a chuckle or two from your post, I'm a little confused by the association of Jack Welch and General Motors... Jack Welch was longtime CEO of General Electric, replaced a few years ago by one of his proteges, Jeffery Immelt. I would be somewhat surprised if General Motors released a press release "by Mr. Welch himself".
Too true. :-D http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/autos.asp[^] Cheers,
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Actually 3 servers. The latest batch of updates via Automatic updates has killed our 3 windows 2000 servers dead. We can resurrect them but soon enough they lock up and give you those nasty error pages. This is, to say the least, incredibly frustrating but we give up and will upgrade servers that were actually among out more reliable ones until last week to Win2003. So - until we can pull them out we'll be down 3 servers which means more load for the others and the potential for more error 500's. I'm sorry :(
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Thank you for posting this. I have been saying this would happen for a long time now. Auto-update is a Bad Thing. I'm really waiting for the day that they push out an update that crashes the whole world. That will be funny. Not that this is funny... sucks to be you.
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