WinXP Gets Democratic
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Paul Watson wrote: Another is that when my mom buys Windows XP she does not want to have to choose to use IE or Mozilla (she would say "Like Godzilla the monster? Whats the difference Paul? Which one should I choose? HEEELLPP!!), she just wants a browser. It doesn't sound like they are going to force the user to choose a default. The PC manufacturer will choose the default and the user will be oblivious to it unless they stumble upon it in their control panel or whatever. If this is the case, your mom could stumble upon her network settings just as easy and be even more confused. Paul Watson wrote: It is really only us power users who ever really sit down and configure their machines to a T So you are saying you don't like features designed for us power users? I personally like my machines to be as configurable as possible, I guess that is why I prefer Unix. On a side note, I never did think that MS should be forced to change their OS. I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. Good point Jack. I find it outright hypocritical that the same people who PAY money and buy Microsoft OS versions when there is the free Linux alternative should make the most noise about how Microsoft is unfairly monopolizing the industry. Can't they just shut up and start using Linux? Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Yes we are all sick of this fubar anti-trust case against MS. This post won't waffle on about that. Rather, CNet News has an article on the upcoming Windows XP Service Pack 1[^] and the "tweaks" it makes to the default app selection. Bottom line is that now 3rd parties will have an easier time in putting their apps into the XP installation and excluding the normal XP apps. e.g. Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer, Eudora instead of Outlook Express, ICQ instead of Windows Messenger etc. etc. etc. Frankly how this is going to realy help other application makers is beyond me. Woot, so your app is the default and IE isn't. One worry I have is that all these changes to default settings could just introduce a lot more configuration bugs Another is that when my mom buys Windows XP she does not want to have to choose to use IE or Mozilla (she would say "Like Godzilla the monster? Whats the difference Paul? Which one should I choose? HEEELLPP!!), she just wants a browser. It is really only us power users who ever really sit down and configure their machines to a T, the rest of the world just wants to get on with their jobs with the least amount of fuss. I don't know but this move is really lame and I don't see it changing much. All those years, all those millions of dollars and MS ends up having to release a service pack... Wow, what a victory for the anti-MS crowd... X| * And would CNet PLEASE "spell" .NET right. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
Paul Watson wrote: Another is that when my mom buys Windows XP she does not want to have to choose to use IE or Mozilla (she would say "Like Godzilla the monster? Whats the difference Paul? Which one should I choose? HEEELLPP!!), she just wants a browser. It doesn't sound like they are going to force the user to choose a default. The PC manufacturer will choose the default and the user will be oblivious to it unless they stumble upon it in their control panel or whatever. If this is the case, your mom could stumble upon her network settings just as easy and be even more confused. Paul Watson wrote: It is really only us power users who ever really sit down and configure their machines to a T So you are saying you don't like features designed for us power users? I personally like my machines to be as configurable as possible, I guess that is why I prefer Unix. On a side note, I never did think that MS should be forced to change their OS. I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But a stolen code from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish - Native CPian wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site I can see a lot of W2K reinstalling going on because of this. :-O Cheers, Simon "Every good work of software starts by scratching a developer's personal itch.", Eric S. Raymond
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Nish - Native CPian wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site I can see a lot of W2K reinstalling going on because of this. :-O Cheers, Simon "Every good work of software starts by scratching a developer's personal itch.", Eric S. Raymond
SimonS wrote: I can see a lot of W2K reinstalling going on because of this. Yeah and maybe WindowsBlinds too Nish :-(
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But a stolen code from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Interesting reaction Nish. ;-) I'll be interested to see what happens with this. Michael :-)
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Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But a stolen code from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish - Native CPian wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. And damn straight! Good for MS. All those pirates can go to hell and be screwed over royally. If they pirate they should not expect any help or support or service packs. MS has every right to do this and I would do the same if I were in their position. When I pirate something I don't expect anything from the makers of the product. I am after all screwing them, so they owe me nothing. I don't understand why you are sad about this move Nish (unless of course you have one of those *cough* pirated/stolen *cough* keys ;) ) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
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Interesting reaction Nish. ;-) I'll be interested to see what happens with this. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: Interesting reaction Nish What else! Michael P Butler wrote: I'll be interested to see what happens with this. Lotsa Win2K re-installations. Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Nish - Native CPian wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. And damn straight! Good for MS. All those pirates can go to hell and be screwed over royally. If they pirate they should not expect any help or support or service packs. MS has every right to do this and I would do the same if I were in their position. When I pirate something I don't expect anything from the makers of the product. I am after all screwing them, so they owe me nothing. I don't understand why you are sad about this move Nish (unless of course you have one of those *cough* pirated/stolen *cough* keys ;) ) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
Paul Watson wrote: I don't understand why you are sad about this move Nish (unless of course you have one of those *cough* pirated/stolen *cough* keys ) I have a fully legal XP here at work as well as an Office XP. Now for home. I earn about USD 250/month. So, what do you think are the chances that I actually have a legal copy of XP at home? By the way I pay about USD 100 as house rent. Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Paul Watson wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. Paul, Nish, Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Someone is going to come up with a cracked service pack, according to the speed crackers are able to "release" their products. I imagine something like "click on crack.exe before installing service pack" or similar. May the power of blah, blah Regards, R.
Ramon Casellas wrote: Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Someone is going to come up with a cracked service pack, according to the speed crackers are able to "release" their products. I imagine something like "click on crack.exe before installing service pack" or similar. May the power of blah, blah :~ :~ :~ :~ That's an option I guess :(
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Nish - Native CPian wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. And damn straight! Good for MS. All those pirates can go to hell and be screwed over royally. If they pirate they should not expect any help or support or service packs. MS has every right to do this and I would do the same if I were in their position. When I pirate something I don't expect anything from the makers of the product. I am after all screwing them, so they owe me nothing. I don't understand why you are sad about this move Nish (unless of course you have one of those *cough* pirated/stolen *cough* keys ;) ) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
Paul Watson wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. Paul, Nish, Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Someone is going to come up with a cracked service pack, according to the speed crackers are able to "release" their products. I imagine something like "click on crack.exe before installing service pack" or similar. May the power of blah, blah Regards, R.
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Paul Watson wrote: People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. Paul, Nish, Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Someone is going to come up with a cracked service pack, according to the speed crackers are able to "release" their products. I imagine something like "click on crack.exe before installing service pack" or similar. May the power of blah, blah Regards, R.
Ramon Casellas wrote: Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Someone is going to come up with a cracked service pack LOL I don't underestimate it at all. MS is just trying to keep ahead of the crackers with this latest gambit. They know it won't last long, but it still is just that bit extra crackers have to crack. Ultimately I don't believe that product keys, activiation codes etc. etc. are the way to stop piracy. It is the same as the music labels. They try to stop pirating by locking things down, screwing us over. They will never win no matter how fast they run. They should, as should MS, look towards incentives and pro-reasons not to pirate. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
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Paul Watson wrote: I don't understand why you are sad about this move Nish (unless of course you have one of those *cough* pirated/stolen *cough* keys ) I have a fully legal XP here at work as well as an Office XP. Now for home. I earn about USD 250/month. So, what do you think are the chances that I actually have a legal copy of XP at home? By the way I pay about USD 100 as house rent. Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish - Native CPian wrote: By the way I pay about USD 100 as house rent Calculating at Rs.50 a dollar thats Rs.5000. Maan !!U must be living in poshest(sic! pardon the expression but you get the idea) area of Trivandrum.In Hyderabad a similar amount will get you a rented 2 bed room flat in Banjara Hills,a posh locality here. Or trivandrum is one hell of a expensive city :( :(
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Nish - Native CPian wrote: By the way I pay about USD 100 as house rent Calculating at Rs.50 a dollar thats Rs.5000. Maan !!U must be living in poshest(sic! pardon the expression but you get the idea) area of Trivandrum.In Hyderabad a similar amount will get you a rented 2 bed room flat in Banjara Hills,a posh locality here. Or trivandrum is one hell of a expensive city :( :(
Agnihothra wrote: Maan !!U must be living in poshest(sic! pardon the expression but you get the idea) area of Trivandrum It's a 3 bedroom apartment, dining, drawing, kitchen, verandah with roofed cark parking and I am living ALONE. I like living in a big place. I am gonna have a castle of my own a few years from now... Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Jack Handy wrote: I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. Good point Jack. I find it outright hypocritical that the same people who PAY money and buy Microsoft OS versions when there is the free Linux alternative should make the most noise about how Microsoft is unfairly monopolizing the industry. Can't they just shut up and start using Linux? Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish wrote: Good point Jack. I find it outright hypocritical that the same people who PAY money and buy Microsoft OS versions when there is the free Linux alternative should make the most noise about how Microsoft is unfairly monopolizing the industry. Can't they just shut up and start using Linux? I think the whole point about a monopoly is that choosing a rival product is not a practical option for most customers. If it was, then you wouldn't have a monopoly. John Carson
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Yes we are all sick of this fubar anti-trust case against MS. This post won't waffle on about that. Rather, CNet News has an article on the upcoming Windows XP Service Pack 1[^] and the "tweaks" it makes to the default app selection. Bottom line is that now 3rd parties will have an easier time in putting their apps into the XP installation and excluding the normal XP apps. e.g. Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer, Eudora instead of Outlook Express, ICQ instead of Windows Messenger etc. etc. etc. Frankly how this is going to realy help other application makers is beyond me. Woot, so your app is the default and IE isn't. One worry I have is that all these changes to default settings could just introduce a lot more configuration bugs Another is that when my mom buys Windows XP she does not want to have to choose to use IE or Mozilla (she would say "Like Godzilla the monster? Whats the difference Paul? Which one should I choose? HEEELLPP!!), she just wants a browser. It is really only us power users who ever really sit down and configure their machines to a T, the rest of the world just wants to get on with their jobs with the least amount of fuss. I don't know but this move is really lame and I don't see it changing much. All those years, all those millions of dollars and MS ends up having to release a service pack... Wow, what a victory for the anti-MS crowd... X| * And would CNet PLEASE "spell" .NET right. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
Paul Watson wrote: Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer, Eudora instead of Outlook Express, ICQ instead of Windows Messenger etc. etc. etc Now there is a compelling reason to ditch Windows if ever I saw one. :| ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But a stolen code from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site. :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
:(( Guess I'll have to actually use my real key then James Simplicity Rules!
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:(( Guess I'll have to actually use my real key then James Simplicity Rules!
James T. Johnson wrote: Guess I'll have to actually use my real key then What about moi? Nish :((
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Jack Handy wrote: I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. Good point Jack. I find it outright hypocritical that the same people who PAY money and buy Microsoft OS versions when there is the free Linux alternative should make the most noise about how Microsoft is unfairly monopolizing the industry. Can't they just shut up and start using Linux? Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
I voted that a company should be able to do whatever they want with their OS in the CP poll a few weeks back. Good point Jack. I find it outright hypocritical that the same people who PAY money and buy Microsoft OS versions when there is the free Linux alternative should make the most noise about how Microsoft is unfairly monopolizing the industry. Can't they just shut up and start using Linux? If you truely believe that companies should be allowed to use their monopolies as a weapon, then you should logically allow your electric company to force you to buy their brand of TV. Your water company should be allowed to threaten to turn off your water if you don't buy their brand of furnature. Your telephone company should be allowed to threaten to cut-off your phone if you don't buy their brand of ...
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Yes we are all sick of this fubar anti-trust case against MS. This post won't waffle on about that. Rather, CNet News has an article on the upcoming Windows XP Service Pack 1[^] and the "tweaks" it makes to the default app selection. Bottom line is that now 3rd parties will have an easier time in putting their apps into the XP installation and excluding the normal XP apps. e.g. Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer, Eudora instead of Outlook Express, ICQ instead of Windows Messenger etc. etc. etc. Frankly how this is going to realy help other application makers is beyond me. Woot, so your app is the default and IE isn't. One worry I have is that all these changes to default settings could just introduce a lot more configuration bugs Another is that when my mom buys Windows XP she does not want to have to choose to use IE or Mozilla (she would say "Like Godzilla the monster? Whats the difference Paul? Which one should I choose? HEEELLPP!!), she just wants a browser. It is really only us power users who ever really sit down and configure their machines to a T, the rest of the world just wants to get on with their jobs with the least amount of fuss. I don't know but this move is really lame and I don't see it changing much. All those years, all those millions of dollars and MS ends up having to release a service pack... Wow, what a victory for the anti-MS crowd... X| * And would CNet PLEASE "spell" .NET right. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
I look forward to the confusion it will cause. My only income at the moment is from panicked users of the clueless class, and this is bound to result in a slew of service call$:-D