The effect of religion
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fat_boy wrote:
Religion is designed to make people docile and compliant
your opinion.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I thought that's what weed was for.
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
led mike
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fat_boy wrote:
Religion is designed to make people docile and compliant
You don't need religion to achieve that.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Red Stateler wrote:
I thought that's what weed was for.
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
led mike
led mike wrote:
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard. Why do you think that is?
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Cho? Oh wait...He was an atheist.
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So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
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religion tells you what is moral and immoral for you. however, people without religion can have similar or even better morals. a "good man" is a good man, regardless of spiritual associations.
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fat_boy wrote:
Religion is designed to make people docile and compliant.
I thought that's what weed was for.
i thought it was for unwinding after staring at a monitor for 9 hours a day 5 days a week. that and playing XBox360...
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led mike wrote:
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard. Why do you think that is?
Red Stateler wrote:
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard
left, right, who cares. the fact is marijuana isnt hurting any one. tax it, grow better quality, and put the street dealers out of business. and what about the children? it poses the same risk to kids as underage drinking and cigarette smoking...
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Red Stateler wrote:
He was an atheist.
Hey, you worthless unchristian bigot, who cares what he was? It obviously had no bearing on his actions. What if he had been a Catholic, would you then condemn Catholicism?
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Al Beback wrote:
Hey, you worthless unchristian bigot, who cares what he was? It obviously had no bearing on his actions. What if he had been a Catholic, would you then condemn Catholicism?
Wow. What a delightful double-standard you have! If he had been Catholic and the Catholic Church's teachings specifically lead him to kill 32 people and himself, then I'd say there is something wrong there. But since the Catholic Church generally frown upon mass-murder, that's simply not the case. However, since this isn't the first time that the inevitable nihilism of atheism lead a young man to commit mass-murder, then it's right to condemn atheism and you for endorsing it.
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Red Stateler wrote:
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard
left, right, who cares. the fact is marijuana isnt hurting any one. tax it, grow better quality, and put the street dealers out of business. and what about the children? it poses the same risk to kids as underage drinking and cigarette smoking...
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
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Even communism couldnt keep the masses in line anywhere near as effectively, or for as long as religion has. -- modified at 4:28 Thursday 26th April, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Are you 'in line' with anything?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result.
im calling BULLSHIT! my friends parents smoke, one is a civil engineer with over 40 years on the job. the other is a qa engineer with around 30 years on the job. me personally, ive smoked since high school(no pun intended), graduated from there with a 4.0, and from college with a 3.5. most of my friends who smoke, all graduated from a respectable university with engineering degrees and most are currently in grad school. now i seriously doubt that this many people in this area are special cases, considering the people mentioned from my college were from all over the country. you dont see people pawning their valuables away for pot. you dont see people selling their bodies for pot. you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people... these people you say ruined their lives, were destined to become crack heads or heroin junkies before they took their 1st puff...
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Red Stateler wrote:
I thought that's what weed was for.
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
led mike
[dumb] Anyone who disagrees with him is obviously a stupid leftist gay. :rolleyes: [/dumb]
VB and C# are languages written to cater to the lowest common denominator. C++ assumes a level of skill in the developer. - Christian Graus, on C# and C++
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led mike wrote:
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard. Why do you think that is?
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it.
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
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Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result.
im calling BULLSHIT! my friends parents smoke, one is a civil engineer with over 40 years on the job. the other is a qa engineer with around 30 years on the job. me personally, ive smoked since high school(no pun intended), graduated from there with a 4.0, and from college with a 3.5. most of my friends who smoke, all graduated from a respectable university with engineering degrees and most are currently in grad school. now i seriously doubt that this many people in this area are special cases, considering the people mentioned from my college were from all over the country. you dont see people pawning their valuables away for pot. you dont see people selling their bodies for pot. you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people... these people you say ruined their lives, were destined to become crack heads or heroin junkies before they took their 1st puff...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
im calling bullsh*t!
Be my guest. But my personal experience has seen otherwise. Being a druggy yourself, I'm sure your perception of your fellow-druggies is skewed. But of the people I've known: -One dropped out of college, decided to make a living selling fake IDs, was arrested, now lives with his rich parents on a golf course and golfs all day. -One moved onto cocaine and was arrested for selling that. -One quit his job for a year and took a bath about once a week. There are oodles more. I don't think I've known a single one who actually lived respectably. That's why I oppose its legalization. From what I've seen, its consistent use is no different that alcoholism (which is also defended by alcoholics).
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So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
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Al Beback wrote:
So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
I don't have an opinion, I don't pesonally know any atheists or agnostics or unreligious people with children. Well, let me correct that. I have 3 kids myself and all 3 have children. of the 3: my daughter and son-in-law have one boy who is in his 20s. They are unreligious, their son has 2 children out of wedlock, is a high school drop out, and has been arrested for criminal trespass, essentially burglery. For comparison: my oldest son, a 20 year military vet, is unreligious but his wife is very religious. They have 3 children who are all honor role students, respectful and well behaved. my youngest son, a "born again Christian" and is working his way through divinity school, and his wife have 5 children. This family is very religious. Of the children: 1 is a marine serving in Iraq, 1 graduates from college this spring (a high achiever) and the remaining 3 are sill in high school or grade school. 2 of the 3 still in school are average students, one is a high achiever. Of the 5 only one would be considered to be a problem child. Draw your own conclusions.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it.
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
That's the ironic part. I've never seen anybody actually ruin their life through alcohol. Maybe because it takes quite a bit more to become a raging alcoholic than a pothead. Poison Ivy is a plant too, btw.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
your opinion.
Really? It wasnt me who coined the word 'heretic'. Its the chirch that wants people docile and compliant.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
It wasnt me who coined the word 'heretic'. Its the chirch that wants people docile and compliant.
"theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative." I really don't see your point. The term simply means, "you don't agree with us". Heretic is much easier to say.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
im calling bullsh*t!
Be my guest. But my personal experience has seen otherwise. Being a druggy yourself, I'm sure your perception of your fellow-druggies is skewed. But of the people I've known: -One dropped out of college, decided to make a living selling fake IDs, was arrested, now lives with his rich parents on a golf course and golfs all day. -One moved onto cocaine and was arrested for selling that. -One quit his job for a year and took a bath about once a week. There are oodles more. I don't think I've known a single one who actually lived respectably. That's why I oppose its legalization. From what I've seen, its consistent use is no different that alcoholism (which is also defended by alcoholics).
im not arguing this all day, i actually have work to do for once, but dont take this as me admitting defeat. my only retort is, you must know A LOT of losers. anyone who has similar stories like Red's please post under this so i can check it out before i get off work today, i will be astounded if what he's claiming has been seen by many other people...
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