The effect of religion
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Red Stateler wrote:
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard
left, right, who cares. the fact is marijuana isnt hurting any one. tax it, grow better quality, and put the street dealers out of business. and what about the children? it poses the same risk to kids as underage drinking and cigarette smoking...
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
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Even communism couldnt keep the masses in line anywhere near as effectively, or for as long as religion has. -- modified at 4:28 Thursday 26th April, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Are you 'in line' with anything?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result.
im calling BULLSHIT! my friends parents smoke, one is a civil engineer with over 40 years on the job. the other is a qa engineer with around 30 years on the job. me personally, ive smoked since high school(no pun intended), graduated from there with a 4.0, and from college with a 3.5. most of my friends who smoke, all graduated from a respectable university with engineering degrees and most are currently in grad school. now i seriously doubt that this many people in this area are special cases, considering the people mentioned from my college were from all over the country. you dont see people pawning their valuables away for pot. you dont see people selling their bodies for pot. you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people... these people you say ruined their lives, were destined to become crack heads or heroin junkies before they took their 1st puff...
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Red Stateler wrote:
I thought that's what weed was for.
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
led mike
[dumb] Anyone who disagrees with him is obviously a stupid leftist gay. :rolleyes: [/dumb]
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led mike wrote:
So you think God created those plants to make people more docile and compliant? Interesting.
More interesting is the fact that leftists seem to push it so hard. Why do you think that is?
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Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result. The exception is a 62 year old millionaire who has no need to actually work.
Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it.
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
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Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result.
im calling BULLSHIT! my friends parents smoke, one is a civil engineer with over 40 years on the job. the other is a qa engineer with around 30 years on the job. me personally, ive smoked since high school(no pun intended), graduated from there with a 4.0, and from college with a 3.5. most of my friends who smoke, all graduated from a respectable university with engineering degrees and most are currently in grad school. now i seriously doubt that this many people in this area are special cases, considering the people mentioned from my college were from all over the country. you dont see people pawning their valuables away for pot. you dont see people selling their bodies for pot. you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people... these people you say ruined their lives, were destined to become crack heads or heroin junkies before they took their 1st puff...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
im calling bullsh*t!
Be my guest. But my personal experience has seen otherwise. Being a druggy yourself, I'm sure your perception of your fellow-druggies is skewed. But of the people I've known: -One dropped out of college, decided to make a living selling fake IDs, was arrested, now lives with his rich parents on a golf course and golfs all day. -One moved onto cocaine and was arrested for selling that. -One quit his job for a year and took a bath about once a week. There are oodles more. I don't think I've known a single one who actually lived respectably. That's why I oppose its legalization. From what I've seen, its consistent use is no different that alcoholism (which is also defended by alcoholics).
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So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
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Al Beback wrote:
So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
I don't have an opinion, I don't pesonally know any atheists or agnostics or unreligious people with children. Well, let me correct that. I have 3 kids myself and all 3 have children. of the 3: my daughter and son-in-law have one boy who is in his 20s. They are unreligious, their son has 2 children out of wedlock, is a high school drop out, and has been arrested for criminal trespass, essentially burglery. For comparison: my oldest son, a 20 year military vet, is unreligious but his wife is very religious. They have 3 children who are all honor role students, respectful and well behaved. my youngest son, a "born again Christian" and is working his way through divinity school, and his wife have 5 children. This family is very religious. Of the children: 1 is a marine serving in Iraq, 1 graduates from college this spring (a high achiever) and the remaining 3 are sill in high school or grade school. 2 of the 3 still in school are average students, one is a high achiever. Of the 5 only one would be considered to be a problem child. Draw your own conclusions.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it.
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
That's the ironic part. I've never seen anybody actually ruin their life through alcohol. Maybe because it takes quite a bit more to become a raging alcoholic than a pothead. Poison Ivy is a plant too, btw.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
your opinion.
Really? It wasnt me who coined the word 'heretic'. Its the chirch that wants people docile and compliant.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
It wasnt me who coined the word 'heretic'. Its the chirch that wants people docile and compliant.
"theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative." I really don't see your point. The term simply means, "you don't agree with us". Heretic is much easier to say.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
im calling bullsh*t!
Be my guest. But my personal experience has seen otherwise. Being a druggy yourself, I'm sure your perception of your fellow-druggies is skewed. But of the people I've known: -One dropped out of college, decided to make a living selling fake IDs, was arrested, now lives with his rich parents on a golf course and golfs all day. -One moved onto cocaine and was arrested for selling that. -One quit his job for a year and took a bath about once a week. There are oodles more. I don't think I've known a single one who actually lived respectably. That's why I oppose its legalization. From what I've seen, its consistent use is no different that alcoholism (which is also defended by alcoholics).
im not arguing this all day, i actually have work to do for once, but dont take this as me admitting defeat. my only retort is, you must know A LOT of losers. anyone who has similar stories like Red's please post under this so i can check it out before i get off work today, i will be astounded if what he's claiming has been seen by many other people...
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
No it's not it's a plant, you can't grip bits of metal with it. I've yet to meet anyone whose life has been adversely affected, can't same say the same for alcohol. How exactly do you think it "hurts" people? or are you thinking of people putting their fingers in a vice?
That's the ironic part. I've never seen anybody actually ruin their life through alcohol. Maybe because it takes quite a bit more to become a raging alcoholic than a pothead. Poison Ivy is a plant too, btw.
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Al Beback wrote:
So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
I don't have an opinion, I don't pesonally know any atheists or agnostics or unreligious people with children. Well, let me correct that. I have 3 kids myself and all 3 have children. of the 3: my daughter and son-in-law have one boy who is in his 20s. They are unreligious, their son has 2 children out of wedlock, is a high school drop out, and has been arrested for criminal trespass, essentially burglery. For comparison: my oldest son, a 20 year military vet, is unreligious but his wife is very religious. They have 3 children who are all honor role students, respectful and well behaved. my youngest son, a "born again Christian" and is working his way through divinity school, and his wife have 5 children. This family is very religious. Of the children: 1 is a marine serving in Iraq, 1 graduates from college this spring (a high achiever) and the remaining 3 are sill in high school or grade school. 2 of the 3 still in school are average students, one is a high achiever. Of the 5 only one would be considered to be a problem child. Draw your own conclusions.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Draw your own conclusions.
good genes? ;P
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im not arguing this all day, i actually have work to do for once, but dont take this as me admitting defeat. my only retort is, you must know A LOT of losers. anyone who has similar stories like Red's please post under this so i can check it out before i get off work today, i will be astounded if what he's claiming has been seen by many other people...
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It's not that I know a lot of losers. It's that all the losers I've ever met seem to be potheads. It's not an argument with a winner. I'm just relaying my personal experience and why I would oppose legalization of weed. I think that legalizing it is within the reasonable realm of democratic discourse (i.e. not being a leftist, I don't proclaim that it's my way or the highway). But based on my personal experience, I think it would be bad for the country and for individuals and I would therefore oppose it.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Draw your own conclusions.
good genes? ;P
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
good genes?
a contributing factor.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Come on you've been sussed as a bullshit artist, so just piss off and leave it alone, you don't know what you're typing about.
Hey, I just call 'em like I see 'em. I've known people who have known people who's lives were ruined by alcohol. But I've never known anybody directly who has. Pot is quite another story.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Marijuana is a vice, meaning it hurts those that partake in it. Personally, I've known numerous people who began using it and in every single case of regular users (except one) their lives fell apart as a result.
im calling BULLSHIT! my friends parents smoke, one is a civil engineer with over 40 years on the job. the other is a qa engineer with around 30 years on the job. me personally, ive smoked since high school(no pun intended), graduated from there with a 4.0, and from college with a 3.5. most of my friends who smoke, all graduated from a respectable university with engineering degrees and most are currently in grad school. now i seriously doubt that this many people in this area are special cases, considering the people mentioned from my college were from all over the country. you dont see people pawning their valuables away for pot. you dont see people selling their bodies for pot. you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people... these people you say ruined their lives, were destined to become crack heads or heroin junkies before they took their 1st puff...
------------------------------ I win because I have the most fun in life...
VonHagNDaz wrote:
you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people...
You do see an awful lot of bad grammar, punctuation, and participation in lame arguments though. Everything has its price...
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Al Beback wrote:
So in your opinion, are atheists, agnostics, and other unreligious people capable of raising happy, moral children?
I don't have an opinion, I don't pesonally know any atheists or agnostics or unreligious people with children. Well, let me correct that. I have 3 kids myself and all 3 have children. of the 3: my daughter and son-in-law have one boy who is in his 20s. They are unreligious, their son has 2 children out of wedlock, is a high school drop out, and has been arrested for criminal trespass, essentially burglery. For comparison: my oldest son, a 20 year military vet, is unreligious but his wife is very religious. They have 3 children who are all honor role students, respectful and well behaved. my youngest son, a "born again Christian" and is working his way through divinity school, and his wife have 5 children. This family is very religious. Of the children: 1 is a marine serving in Iraq, 1 graduates from college this spring (a high achiever) and the remaining 3 are sill in high school or grade school. 2 of the 3 still in school are average students, one is a high achiever. Of the 5 only one would be considered to be a problem child. Draw your own conclusions.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
No conclusions can be reached through the personal experiences of one person, or even of everyone who posts in these forums. I'm atheist but consider myself a very moral person and spend a great deal of mental effort defining that morality, because I believe it to be important to be a responsible adult. And I'm not alone. It would be a mistake to attribute religious conviction as the sole or even major determiner of behavior and life choices; even the most devout religious individuals have been known to live depraved lives.
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Le Centriste wrote:
I am talking about the idiots who blow themselves up in the name of Allah
could i ask you what will makes you kill you self ?? don't say idiots , they have the brave to die for what they believe in. i don't understand why in your opinion they are idiots ?? please tell me
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Yes, so brave to kill innocent people. They are idiots for believing that is what their religion teaches them. One of the cornerstones of the major religions is be nice to your fellow mankind. But these IDIOTS have twisted the words to fit their own needs and lost the roots of their religion.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
you never see someone on a marijuana binge getting into a car and killing innocent people...
You do see an awful lot of bad grammar, punctuation, and participation in lame arguments though. Everything has its price...
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Shog9 wrote:
You do see an awful lot of bad grammar, punctuation, and participation in lame arguments though. Everything has its price...
:laugh: That's kind of my point! Potheads don't even realize how marginilized their lives become because they're looking out from inside the fishbowl. Sure it doesn't incite violence, but does it need to in order to be detrimental. BTW, another guy I knew got high and jumped on the highway going over 100MPH at night. He claimed that being high made him a better driver.