Culture of Corruption
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As I noted above, there is a distinct difference between Republicans and Democrats. While Republicans actually remove those people guilty of corruption, Democrats promote them. I mean...The FBI has a freakin' videotape of Jefferson accepting bribes. I couldn't agree more! Like the way they did with DeLay. Oh wait... That's right, they tried to RELAX ethics rules just for him. :rolleyes: As for Frist, he wasn't removed by the republican establishment for ethical lapses he was widely viewed by republicans as ineffective as majority leader. His heavy involvement in the 2006 Elections and the Drubbing they recieved didn't help his cause any either. To address the issue of Jackson I don't know that there's much that can be done. He won't resign and the democrates can't make him. Hell he was re-elected while the investigation was ongoing. It's not much different than Cornyn who stayed till he was convicted. The party doesn't decide who stays and who goes. It's up to the individual congress member.
cruest wrote:
I couldn't agree more! Like the way they did with DeLay. Oh wait... That's right, they tried to RELAX ethics rules just for him. As for Frist, he wasn't removed by the republican establishment for ethical lapses he was widely viewed by republicans as ineffective as majority leader. His heavy involvement in the 2006 Elections and the Drubbing they recieved didn't help his cause any either.
Last I checked, DeLay resigned and still no charges have stuck over a year later and numerous grand juries. As for Frist, why would he resign when he had evidence proving his innocence? Or are you actually suggesting that he should have resigned despite being innocent while Jefferson remained on the Budget Committee after accepting $100,000 in bribes?
cruest wrote:
To address the issue of Jackson I don't know that there's much that can be done. He won't resign and the democrates can't make him. Hell he was re-elected while the investigation was ongoing. It's not much different than Cornyn who stayed till he was convicted. The party doesn't decide who stays and who goes. It's up to the individual congress member.
If you recall, Democrats (and even a couple lecherous Republicans) circled the wagon and attacked Bush for the FBI investigating Jefferson. It was also the Democrats that appointed him to the Budget Committee AFTER he was videotaped accepting bribe money (he doesn't get that position automatically...He needs to voted by the House into that position). Democrats threatened Bush with all sorts of legal action if a case was pursued against Jefferson citing separation of powers, so it was effectively buried. And the Democrats could easily put pressure on him to resign and encourage an investigation into his videotaped wrongdoings (as the Republicans did to that guy pursuing interns last year..whatever his name was). Instead they've defended him and actively blocked any investigations. But I suppose that's what we've all come to expect from leftists...Corruption justified by membership.
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All politicians are the same, with only a few notable exceptions. I've only seen one politician I'd trust in my whole life. All the rest, to hell with them. It cannot be that hard to be honest and to respect the opinion of the people, can it? And as for "the doctor proved himself good": no, it was just proven that their is not enough material for persecution, or not a level of guilt that would justify persecution. I would understand "essentially cleared" as "there were some suspicions, but nothing that could be proved". I do not know Mr Frist, this is just an interpolation from how this usually works out.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Ceterum censeo, borlandem esse delendam.
"no, it was just proven that their is not enough material for persecution" persecute - to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently. prosecute - to institute legal proceedings against (a person).
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Sebastian Schneider wrote:
All politicians are the same,
I really get sick of hearing that phrase every single fucking time something reflects negatively on the left. This incident with Frist was a political hit and is symptomatic of the democrats approach to politics. They are not capable of defeating thier opponents on the issues and therefore try to destroy them professionally and personally with whatever trumped up charges they can invent. Tom Delay is another perfect example of this process. The US democrat party is corrupt and evil from top to bottom. COllectively they represent the greatest threat American civilization has ever faced and need to be destroyed.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
alright Osama...
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alright Osama...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
alright Osama...
While I'm not advocating revolution, it appears that the left and Osama share a common goal to undermine democracy in the west. Why all the calls for both Bush and Cheney to be impeached (thus giving Democrats the executive branch)? Even when Republicans pursued Clinton (for proven perjury), they never made an attempt or hinted at one to remove Gore. Why all the phoney prosecutions of Republicans while defending and promoting people who have been proven to outright take huge bribes? Why the constant and erroneous claims that Bush "stole" the presidency (and is thus democratically illegitimate and should be removed)? Why the active effort to prevent any investigations into voter fraud? Why the opposition of legislation (and blocking of legitimate legislation via the courts) of voter ID laws that prevent such fraud? Why the increasing persecution of free political speech (via McCain-Feingold) and funding of propaganda efforts via organizations like MoveOn.org? The whole thing stinks of corruption at the highest level with the singular goal of ousting democratically-elected officials such that they can simply be replaced by left-wing elitists bent on power.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
alright Osama...
While I'm not advocating revolution, it appears that the left and Osama share a common goal to undermine democracy in the west. Why all the calls for both Bush and Cheney to be impeached (thus giving Democrats the executive branch)? Even when Republicans pursued Clinton (for proven perjury), they never made an attempt or hinted at one to remove Gore. Why all the phoney prosecutions of Republicans while defending and promoting people who have been proven to outright take huge bribes? Why the constant and erroneous claims that Bush "stole" the presidency (and is thus democratically illegitimate and should be removed)? Why the active effort to prevent any investigations into voter fraud? Why the opposition of legislation (and blocking of legitimate legislation via the courts) of voter ID laws that prevent such fraud? Why the increasing persecution of free political speech (via McCain-Feingold) and funding of propaganda efforts via organizations like MoveOn.org? The whole thing stinks of corruption at the highest level with the singular goal of ousting democratically-elected officials such that they can simply be replaced by left-wing elitists bent on power.
i just thought it was funny, you say down with the left, west = left on the compass. im reaching here, just a lil joke.
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i just thought it was funny, you say down with the left, west = left on the compass. im reaching here, just a lil joke.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
i just thought it was funny, you say down with the left, west = left on the compass. im reaching here, just a lil joke.
Communism is most prevelant in the East (China, Russia, North Korea, Vietnam, etc...). Of course we're left in comparison to the Middle East, but so was Nazi Germany.
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Sebastian Schneider wrote:
All politicians are the same,
I really get sick of hearing that phrase every single fucking time something reflects negatively on the left. This incident with Frist was a political hit and is symptomatic of the democrats approach to politics. They are not capable of defeating thier opponents on the issues and therefore try to destroy them professionally and personally with whatever trumped up charges they can invent. Tom Delay is another perfect example of this process. The US democrat party is corrupt and evil from top to bottom. COllectively they represent the greatest threat American civilization has ever faced and need to be destroyed.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
and need to be destroyed.
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King. Then gave us the Warren Report and the Magic Bullet Theory. That was the turning point in this country. That was when and how we carved out the direction for our culture, a culture devoid of all morality, a culture built on murder and lies, a culture espousing success through any means necessary. People like you created our culture and people like you will insure it continues until every last acre of this country is either burned or covered in blood.
"Christianity is not about tolerance"
Stan Shannon in the Soap BoxChristianity is about getting into heavan, and nothing else.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxThats because you're a f****ing leftist idiot.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxAnd you worthless bastards are proud of that. You assholes just suck.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxBeing classy is for losers.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxa coalition of hispanics, blacks, and white leftists.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxled mike
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Stan Shannon wrote:
and need to be destroyed.
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King. Then gave us the Warren Report and the Magic Bullet Theory. That was the turning point in this country. That was when and how we carved out the direction for our culture, a culture devoid of all morality, a culture built on murder and lies, a culture espousing success through any means necessary. People like you created our culture and people like you will insure it continues until every last acre of this country is either burned or covered in blood.
"Christianity is not about tolerance"
Stan Shannon in the Soap BoxChristianity is about getting into heavan, and nothing else.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxThats because you're a f****ing leftist idiot.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxAnd you worthless bastards are proud of that. You assholes just suck.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxBeing classy is for losers.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxa coalition of hispanics, blacks, and white leftists.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxled mike
Hmmmmmm....So you're a crazy conspiracy theorist? That explains a lot.
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Hmmmmmm....So you're a crazy conspiracy theorist? That explains a lot.
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led mike wrote:
That's not a theory, however it is a conspiracy. Explain that.
So it's not a "theory" that conservatives hatched a plot to kill Kennedy? Yes...That certainly does explain a lot. Tell me more crackpot theories...I mean facts.
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led mike wrote:
That's not a theory, however it is a conspiracy. Explain that.
So it's not a "theory" that conservatives hatched a plot to kill Kennedy? Yes...That certainly does explain a lot. Tell me more crackpot theories...I mean facts.
No it's not a theory that the Warren Commission gave us the Magic Bullet Theory and hid the finding of the commission from the public. It's a fact therefore not a theory. The act of hiding the truth is a conspiracy of itself and of course since the magic bullet theory is an obvious lie it is also evidence of a conspiracy. And I would have to do some checking but I don't remember conservatives being alone in this effort.
led mike
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No it's not a theory that the Warren Commission gave us the Magic Bullet Theory and hid the finding of the commission from the public. It's a fact therefore not a theory. The act of hiding the truth is a conspiracy of itself and of course since the magic bullet theory is an obvious lie it is also evidence of a conspiracy. And I would have to do some checking but I don't remember conservatives being alone in this effort.
led mike
led mike wrote:
No it's not a theory that the Warren Commission gave us the Magic Bullet Theory and hid the finding of the commission from the public. It's a fact therefore not a theory. The act of hiding the truth is a conspiracy of itself and of course since the magic bullet theory is an obvious lie it is also evidence of a conspiracy.
I am, of course, referring to this:
led mike wrote:
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King
"They", huh? Is "they" the conservatives who attempted to undermine the government by killing Kennedy (who fought Communism and was conservative by today's standards and a moderate back then) and replacing him with his liberal vice president?. Surely it was conservatives, since JFK (who's election was won with the aid of organized crime in Ohio) who killed him because nobody (like organized crime which he and his brother pursued, despite being helped by them, and who killed Oswald) would want him dead. Surely the fact that Oswald spent quite a bit of time in the USSR could have nothing to do with it. It was conservatives. Tell me more "facts". This is very telling.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
and need to be destroyed.
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King. Then gave us the Warren Report and the Magic Bullet Theory. That was the turning point in this country. That was when and how we carved out the direction for our culture, a culture devoid of all morality, a culture built on murder and lies, a culture espousing success through any means necessary. People like you created our culture and people like you will insure it continues until every last acre of this country is either burned or covered in blood.
"Christianity is not about tolerance"
Stan Shannon in the Soap BoxChristianity is about getting into heavan, and nothing else.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxThats because you're a f****ing leftist idiot.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxAnd you worthless bastards are proud of that. You assholes just suck.
Stan Shannon in the SoapboxBeing classy is for losers.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxa coalition of hispanics, blacks, and white leftists.
Stan Shannon in the Soapboxled mike
led mike wrote:
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King. Then gave us the Warren Report and the Magic Bullet Theory. That was the turning point in this country. That was when and how we carved out the direction for our culture, a culture devoid of all morality, a culture built on murder and lies, a culture espousing success through any means necessary.
Wow, that really explain a lot. Too bad "they" didn't think of that back when FDR was in charge - when it would actually have done some good. I suppose that explains why Nixon went on to become one of our most liberal presidents. :rolleyes:
led mike wrote:
People like you created our culture
Thank you.
led mike wrote:
and people like you will insure it continues until every last acre of this country is either burned or covered in blood.
If that is what it takes to be free from the tyranny of the people you support, than yes, certainly.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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As I noted above, there is a distinct difference between Republicans and Democrats. While Republicans actually remove those people guilty of corruption, Democrats promote them. I mean...The FBI has a freakin' videotape of Jefferson accepting bribes. I couldn't agree more! Like the way they did with DeLay. Oh wait... That's right, they tried to RELAX ethics rules just for him. :rolleyes: As for Frist, he wasn't removed by the republican establishment for ethical lapses he was widely viewed by republicans as ineffective as majority leader. His heavy involvement in the 2006 Elections and the Drubbing they recieved didn't help his cause any either. To address the issue of Jackson I don't know that there's much that can be done. He won't resign and the democrates can't make him. Hell he was re-elected while the investigation was ongoing. It's not much different than Cornyn who stayed till he was convicted. The party doesn't decide who stays and who goes. It's up to the individual congress member.
cruest wrote:
It's up to the individual congress member.
And the voters. Despite Bush's best efforts, this is still a (somewhat) democracy.
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led mike wrote:
No it's not a theory that the Warren Commission gave us the Magic Bullet Theory and hid the finding of the commission from the public. It's a fact therefore not a theory. The act of hiding the truth is a conspiracy of itself and of course since the magic bullet theory is an obvious lie it is also evidence of a conspiracy.
I am, of course, referring to this:
led mike wrote:
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King
"They", huh? Is "they" the conservatives who attempted to undermine the government by killing Kennedy (who fought Communism and was conservative by today's standards and a moderate back then) and replacing him with his liberal vice president?. Surely it was conservatives, since JFK (who's election was won with the aid of organized crime in Ohio) who killed him because nobody (like organized crime which he and his brother pursued, despite being helped by them, and who killed Oswald) would want him dead. Surely the fact that Oswald spent quite a bit of time in the USSR could have nothing to do with it. It was conservatives. Tell me more "facts". This is very telling.
Red Stateler wrote:
JFK (who's election was won with the aid of organized crime in Ohio)
Talk about crazy conspiracy theories. You are one wacked-out mother-f***er.
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Red Stateler wrote:
JFK (who's election was won with the aid of organized crime in Ohio)
Talk about crazy conspiracy theories. You are one wacked-out mother-f***er.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
You are one wacked-out mother-f***er.
Yeah, but everybody already knew that.
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cruest wrote:
It's up to the individual congress member.
And the voters. Despite Bush's best efforts, this is still a (somewhat) democracy.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
And the voters. Despite Bush's best efforts, this is still a (somewhat) democracy.
Which doesn't say much for Democratic voters.
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led mike wrote:
No it's not a theory that the Warren Commission gave us the Magic Bullet Theory and hid the finding of the commission from the public. It's a fact therefore not a theory. The act of hiding the truth is a conspiracy of itself and of course since the magic bullet theory is an obvious lie it is also evidence of a conspiracy.
I am, of course, referring to this:
led mike wrote:
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King
"They", huh? Is "they" the conservatives who attempted to undermine the government by killing Kennedy (who fought Communism and was conservative by today's standards and a moderate back then) and replacing him with his liberal vice president?. Surely it was conservatives, since JFK (who's election was won with the aid of organized crime in Ohio) who killed him because nobody (like organized crime which he and his brother pursued, despite being helped by them, and who killed Oswald) would want him dead. Surely the fact that Oswald spent quite a bit of time in the USSR could have nothing to do with it. It was conservatives. Tell me more "facts". This is very telling.
Don't even attempt to spin your garbage about the Kennedy assassination. The Warren Commissions lies are all you need to know to be certain that Oswald did not act alone, if he was even involved in any way besides being a patsy. Anything else is pure conjecture and a waste of time since the commission knows the truth but won't tell us. As far as who "they" are, it's the morally corrupt assholes that have created our current culture through their complete disdain for Democracy, you know the "power to the people part". Unlike you I don't believe for a second that slapping a label on someone like Conservative or Liberal excludes them from being an asshole. Politicians that are assholes will take up a label just because they know that ignorant bigots, like you, will lick up their bullshit and think the sun shines out their ass giving them the power to carry out their immoral acts leaving yet more scars on the fabric of our civilization.
led mike
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led mike wrote:
Like they attempted to do back in the sixties with the Kennedy's and King. Then gave us the Warren Report and the Magic Bullet Theory. That was the turning point in this country. That was when and how we carved out the direction for our culture, a culture devoid of all morality, a culture built on murder and lies, a culture espousing success through any means necessary.
Wow, that really explain a lot. Too bad "they" didn't think of that back when FDR was in charge - when it would actually have done some good. I suppose that explains why Nixon went on to become one of our most liberal presidents. :rolleyes:
led mike wrote:
People like you created our culture
Thank you.
led mike wrote:
and people like you will insure it continues until every last acre of this country is either burned or covered in blood.
If that is what it takes to be free from the tyranny of the people you support, than yes, certainly.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
Thank you.
Recently you were bemoaning our culture and blaming liberalism for it's demise, now you believe it's a great culture due to the assassinations and are proud of it. You are one giant flip flopping freak show dude.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If that is what it takes to be free from the tyranny of the people you support, than yes, certainly.
And when you talk out the other side of your ass you blame liberalism for the violent propensities of people like Cho. You right wingnuts can't discuss more than a single topic without contradicting yourselves.
Stan Shannon wrote:
that explains why Nixon went on to become one of our most liberal presidents.
:wtf: does that have to do with it?
led mike
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Thank you.
Recently you were bemoaning our culture and blaming liberalism for it's demise, now you believe it's a great culture due to the assassinations and are proud of it. You are one giant flip flopping freak show dude.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If that is what it takes to be free from the tyranny of the people you support, than yes, certainly.
And when you talk out the other side of your ass you blame liberalism for the violent propensities of people like Cho. You right wingnuts can't discuss more than a single topic without contradicting yourselves.
Stan Shannon wrote:
that explains why Nixon went on to become one of our most liberal presidents.
:wtf: does that have to do with it?
led mike
led mike wrote:
Recently you were bemoaning our culture and blaming liberalism for it's demise, now you believe it's a great culture due to the assassinations and are proud of it. You are one giant flip flopping freak show dude.
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought when you said people like me created our culture you meant the general American culture as it existed prior to the Marxist dominated new age - which was created by people just like me - free thinking Americans. I didn't realize you were referring specifically to your deluded conspiratorial ravings about the Kennedy assasination.
led mike wrote:
And when you talk out the other side of your ass you blame liberalism for the violent propensities of people like Cho.
I'm actually pretty sure I never said that. But I do think that it is perfectly legitimate to argue that he was heavily influenced by the seething leftist negativity towards American society.
led mike wrote:
You right wingnuts can't discuss more than a single topic without contradicting yourselves.
No, its just difficult to keep up with your ramblings.
led mike wrote:
does that have to do with it?
Well, if you are going to blame 'people like me' for the assasinations of the sixties, Nixon was the ultimate beneficiary of all that. Obviously, the evil conservative plan to create a fascist state by knocking of all your Marxist heroes (although actually Kennedy would be conservative by your standards) backfired tremendously.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about