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I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing. Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time? Is this a change due to VB.Net? Has there been a progression like: VB6 - dynamic VB.NeT - not dynamic VB-X - dynamic Remember, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a language like VB has an X after it, then it has to be dynamic. Thank you[^]
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Yes... it is easy, they have discovered a better way to make a bad product and they know that the developers will have the dynamic habit of start running once VB is said... so in fact is more dynamic. :rolleyes: VB... I don't understand why it is still here and being used... Even I've never worked on C# I cannot understand why VB is still here, I cannot understand how it is not abandoned... I remember when some years ago I worked in VB and it was horrible... X|
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb\_coding\_standards.htm\[^\]
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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.
It takes time, but you will be assimilated. :) When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little. The syntax? Yep, it sucks. But the IDE practically fills in (and indents) all that wonderful verbosity for you, so you don't feel the pain.
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We've been a C++ shop since the beginning of time, but lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc. None of us like coding in it, and we spend a good part of the day hurling insults at it. Our project manager chimes in with her usual harpie-like screech proclaiming "At least you have a job!". I hate her. In any case, one of our testers was crusing the web looking for something about VB, and she stumbled across this: http://www.visibleprogress.com/vb_coding_standards.htm[^] I thought some of you might enjoy it as much as we have.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.
Prior to .NET I noticed a trend away from C++ and towards VB, especially for GUI and database work. But it's surprising that this is happening now at your place. Not transitioning to .NET? Or do you mean VB .NET? I know you hate .NET, so I suppose you'd moan if it was C# too.
Kevin
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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).
Regards, Nish
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Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language
Sure it is. Just set Option Strict and Option Explicit to OFF and enjoy the benefits of data type that magically adapt to the context they are used in, even at the expense of loss of precision or meaning. So we are moving from the Common Language Runtime To the Damaged Language Runtime to support a return to bugs inherent in runtime type definition. Great.
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From what little I understand, VBx (VB 10) will support the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) - just like other dynamic languages like Ruby. Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language (VBers please correct me if I am wrong).
Regards, Nish
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You have to explain to them what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?"
Cruel! :laugh:
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.
It takes time, but you will be assimilated. :) When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little. The syntax? Yep, it sucks. But the IDE practically fills in (and indents) all that wonderful verbosity for you, so you don't feel the pain.
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Al Beback wrote:
you don't feel the pain.
[Note:] I am assuming VB 1 - 6 Until you try to do something silly like gasp interact with the operating system or use threads.
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So what are you saying Nish? It will dynamically suck, or suck dynamically? :-D
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It will dynamically suck, or suck dynamically?
How about both?:laugh:
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I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing. Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time? Is this a change due to VB.Net? Has there been a progression like: VB6 - dynamic VB.NeT - not dynamic VB-X - dynamic Remember, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a language like VB has an X after it, then it has to be dynamic. Thank you[^]
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Jim Crafton wrote:
I don't understand this whole "dynamic VB" thing.
Much of the information you will find released in the last couple of days surrounding the “DLR” seems to be marketing speak.
Jim Crafton wrote:
Isn't VB dynamic already? Doesn't it perform method coupling at runtime, not "compile" time?
VB .NET has elements of a dynamically typed language, though unlike previous versions you have to be more explicit about it.
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Does this mean that my VB program will be able to build a string that describes VB procedure and then run it (passing in params somehow)? And that my procedure will be able to find itself and change itself while it is running? Or is that too much to ask.
AFAIK that was possible back in VB6. In the dotNet-ian world (at least 1.1 and 2.0 for sure) you could use the built in tools to compile code (from memory or file(s)) to either file or memory, load it through use of reflection, and execute it. mm, what _IS_ DLR..?
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Al Beback wrote:
you don't feel the pain.
[Note:] I am assuming VB 1 - 6 Until you try to do something silly like gasp interact with the operating system or use threads.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
interact with the operating system or use threads.
VB6 (maybe 1-5 too, never used those) wasn't _completely_ impossible to interact with the OS/use threads. Sure, you'd have to spend all you work AND free time to get it working, but it sure was possible. And sure, you'd have more code that actually made sure things produce the correct result than code that actually does what the program is supposed to do, but at the end of the day it worked anyway, albeit sluggishly...and that it would be the end of the _next_ day.
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Chris Austin wrote:
interact with the operating system or use threads.
VB6 (maybe 1-5 too, never used those) wasn't _completely_ impossible to interact with the OS/use threads. Sure, you'd have to spend all you work AND free time to get it working, but it sure was possible. And sure, you'd have more code that actually made sure things produce the correct result than code that actually does what the program is supposed to do, but at the end of the day it worked anyway, albeit sluggishly...and that it would be the end of the _next_ day.
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
albeit sluggishly...and that it would be the end of the _next_ day.
:laugh: You made my point for me, much better than I could. It shouldn't require so much extra effort.
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Al Beback wrote:
you don't feel the pain.
[Note:] I am assuming VB 1 - 6 Until you try to do something silly like gasp interact with the operating system or use threads.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
interact with the operating system
this is difficult... don't do it....
Chris Austin wrote:
use threads.
this is difficult don't do it.... other things difficult and discouraged: loops, recursion, creativity, thought.... so don't do it! :rolleyes:
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Chris Austin wrote:
interact with the operating system
this is difficult... don't do it....
Chris Austin wrote:
use threads.
this is difficult don't do it.... other things difficult and discouraged: loops, recursion, creativity, thought.... so don't do it! :rolleyes:
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El Corazon wrote:
so don't do it!
But I already have!? Oh no, what do I do now? Will I get in trouble for it? :)
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El Corazon wrote:
so don't do it!
But I already have!? Oh no, what do I do now? Will I get in trouble for it? :)
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Chris Austin wrote:
Will I get in trouble for it?
Yes... you will be caught in a VB.Net, and forced to write VB-X. :omg::omg:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Currently VB.NET is not a dynamically typed language
Sure it is. Just set Option Strict and Option Explicit to OFF and enjoy the benefits of data type that magically adapt to the context they are used in, even at the expense of loss of precision or meaning. So we are moving from the Common Language Runtime To the Damaged Language Runtime to support a return to bugs inherent in runtime type definition. Great.
I think you are mixing up static/dynamic typing and strong/weak typing. VBScript, for example is a weakly typed language, whereas JavaScript and Python are strongly typed languages - only that the type checking happens at runtime instead of (or in addition to) compile time.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.
It takes time, but you will be assimilated. :) When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little. The syntax? Yep, it sucks. But the IDE practically fills in (and indents) all that wonderful verbosity for you, so you don't feel the pain.
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Al Beback wrote:
When you start looking at how easy and quickly business apps can be written with it, you might actually start liking it, a little.
See also: Stockholm Syndrome...
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
lately we find that almost all of the work we're doing right now involves some evil incarnation of Visual Baisc.
Prior to .NET I noticed a trend away from C++ and towards VB, especially for GUI and database work. But it's surprising that this is happening now at your place. Not transitioning to .NET? Or do you mean VB .NET? I know you hate .NET, so I suppose you'd moan if it was C# too.
Kevin
Like almost everyone else here, we have no choice. In each and every dreary case, we're maintaining old code, and there is no funding for conversions. I hate my job.
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