Video Games are dangerous
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Tell me Stan, did you ever play cowboys and Indians as a kid, or pretend to shoot someone with a toy gun or your finger, or force one little green army man to shoot another, or build a tower out of blocks and then knock it over? Do you think it would be reasonable if after doing these actions you were arrested for terrorism and expelled from your school? Do you think it an overreaction to say that such actions would be infringing on your rights, or that arresting all children for these actions would represent a looming threat to our general freedoms?
James L. Thomson wrote:
Do you think it an overreaction to say that such actions would be infringing on your rights, or that arresting all children for these actions would represent a looming threat to our general freedoms?
No,as a matter of fact, I don't. In fact, I think allowing local communities to deal with such issues as they best see fit is the very definition of our general freedoms. I think trying to reengineer our society so that only the all powerful megastate can make decisions of this sort for everybody, everywhere all the time (which is what all of you are actually argueing for) would be the grossest sort of over-reaction and would mean the complete destruction of our general freedoms as Americans.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Red Stateler wrote:
Sometimes you need to kill in order to defend yourself.
The BoR may need some update. You are not in the far west anymore. Having guns only helps you defend yourself against other gun nuts.
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Le Centriste wrote:
The BoR may need some update. You are not in the far west anymore. Having guns only helps you defend yourself against other gun nuts.
Recently here in Atlanta, the police got a warrant to rush into an elderly woman's house on a drug bust (there were no drugs in the house and there was no evidence there was). They busted in wearing masks and wielding guns. Thinking they were robbers out to kill her, she shot at them and was immediately killed...Being shot several dozen times (keep in mind this was a woman in her 80s). As a result of her self defense, the city is being forced to revise the methods they use to acquire warrants and you had better believe that the police are going to review their evidence before breaking in on innocent little old ladies. A month earlier, the same thing happened to another little old lady, but she failed to get to her gun in time and was arrested (and released since it was bogus). No action was taken at that point because the police were not threatened and held responsible by the private citizen. "Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about.
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There's a greater correlation to the rise of secular humanism in our school system than to possession of guns. But let's ignore that detail.
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Le Centriste wrote:
The BoR may need some update. You are not in the far west anymore. Having guns only helps you defend yourself against other gun nuts.
Recently here in Atlanta, the police got a warrant to rush into an elderly woman's house on a drug bust (there were no drugs in the house and there was no evidence there was). They busted in wearing masks and wielding guns. Thinking they were robbers out to kill her, she shot at them and was immediately killed...Being shot several dozen times (keep in mind this was a woman in her 80s). As a result of her self defense, the city is being forced to revise the methods they use to acquire warrants and you had better believe that the police are going to review their evidence before breaking in on innocent little old ladies. A month earlier, the same thing happened to another little old lady, but she failed to get to her gun in time and was arrested (and released since it was bogus). No action was taken at that point because the police were not threatened and held responsible by the private citizen. "Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about.
Is this a common thing? Btw, did you know that in the UK 90% the police officers are not carrying weapons? I don't know the statistics, but I heard there is less casualties. -- modified at 10:54 Friday 4th May, 2007
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
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Red Stateler wrote:
There's a greater correlation to
the idealized lying murderous leadership we have endorsed for decades. But let's ignore that detail.
led mike
led mike wrote:
the idealized lying murderous leadership we have endorsed for decades. But let's ignore that detail.
We don't have to ignore that. In fact let's address your the influence of your conspiracy theories on Cho, the Columbine boys and others. Did they reference JFK's 40-year-old assassination as a motive? Or did they speak about at length about their perceived insignificance and general disdain for others?
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So then these are the steps? 1. Mankind makes guns and uses them responsibly for self defense for hundreds of years. 2. Secular humanism enters the scene and destroys purpose by instilling nihilism into children. 3. These children express that nihilism through violence. 4. Take away the guns. So we know the source of the violence, but your solution is to remove the means and keep firmly in place the secular humanistic nihilism that drives these kids to this? It seems to me that you solve problems by addressing them directly, not by simply removing the means.
Red Stateler wrote:
So then these are the steps?
1. Mankind makes guns and uses them responsibly for self defense for hundreds of years. 2. Lies, murder, intolerance and complete absence of honor and integrity becomes the accepted standard for attaining success and power, and the history/example for children 3. These children reproduce that history and follow that example through violence. 4. Remove the liars and assholes from any position of power.
led mike
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I agree however that it would've been prudent NOT to have made that CS map.
Only because of the general level of paranoia. Back in the day, we made Doom / C&C maps of everything. Because, seriously, who hasn't wanted to run through their local mall, etc., with a chainsaw... ...point is, he made a frickin' map. For a computer game. What's next, rape charges for sketching nude pictures of classmates? :rolleyes:
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Is this a common thing? Btw, did you know that in the UK 90% the police officers are not carrying weapons? I don't know the statistics, but I heard there is less casualties. -- modified at 10:54 Friday 4th May, 2007
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
Le Centriste wrote:
Is this a common thing?
I'm not sure how widespread that is. But two incidents in a month in which innocent elderly women were stormed by the police is too many. Nobody heard about the first. Everybody heard about the second because the woman was able to attempt to defend herself from tyrannical acts by our local government. If the government (at any level) believes that it is immune from citizens' willingness to protect their rights, then they will trample them. Weapons are the last line of defense from tyranny as an armed populace ensures the government that the people have the means to resist it if necessary. A couple more details: The warrant was acquired because an "informant" (i.e. some druggy trying to get his charges thrown out) claimed there were drugs in the house. A couple of those officers have been indicted.
Le Centriste wrote:
Btw, did you know that in the UK 90% the police officers are not carrying weapons? I don't know the statistics, but I heard there was less casualties.
Did you know that gun violence in Britain went up after guns were banned?
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Red Stateler wrote:
So then these are the steps?
1. Mankind makes guns and uses them responsibly for self defense for hundreds of years. 2. Lies, murder, intolerance and complete absence of honor and integrity becomes the accepted standard for attaining success and power, and the history/example for children 3. These children reproduce that history and follow that example through violence. 4. Remove the liars and assholes from any position of power.
led mike
led mike wrote:
Remove the liars and assholes from any position of power.
We tried to remove Clinton, but the Democrats refused.
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led mike wrote:
the idealized lying murderous leadership we have endorsed for decades. But let's ignore that detail.
We don't have to ignore that. In fact let's address your the influence of your conspiracy theories on Cho, the Columbine boys and others. Did they reference JFK's 40-year-old assassination as a motive? Or did they speak about at length about their perceived insignificance and general disdain for others?
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Read the article. the student was neither arrested nor expelled, he was transferred to a different school.
Going to an alternative school means he was expelled from his prior school...
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led mike wrote:
Remove the liars and assholes from any position of power.
We tried to remove Clinton, but the Democrats refused.
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Honey there a gawd danged European on this forum haranguing me about our guns laws. What'll I dooo? Blame it on the 60s hon, just like you always do.
Hey, when you can't come up with any better argument, just ridicule the other guy. Ad hominem always works.
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Does a mouse know he is being programmed while running through the maze? So you believe the Warren Commission told the truth when they provided the magic bullet theory as an explanation of how Oswald acted alone?
led mike
Yes. Oswald acted alone. There was no conspiracy. Learn to live with it.
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Does a mouse know he is being programmed while running through the maze? So you believe the Warren Commission told the truth when they provided the magic bullet theory as an explanation of how Oswald acted alone?
led mike
led mike wrote:
Does a mouse know he is being programmed while running through the maze?
Are you suggesting tin foil for all high school students?
led mike wrote:
So you believe the Warren Commission told the truth when they provided the magic bullet theory as an explanation of how Oswald acted alone?
Having visited the book repository in Dallas, I think it's perfectly within reason that one person who was skilled with a gun could pull it off. However, I have my own theories. There was one person who was very obssessed with both Jackie O and Marilyn Monroe and it stands to reason that, being in love with both, that person was both jealous and enraged by JFK's supposed affair...Andy Warhol did it.
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As opposed to Bush who has done a better job of covering up the fact that he lied about WMDs in Iraq because that lie didn't leave a stain on anyone's dress.
led mike
led mike wrote:
As opposed to Bush who has done a better job of covering up the fact that he lied about WMDs in Iraq because that lie didn't leave a stain on anyone's dress.
According to George Tenet himself (who is trying to undermine the president since he was fired), all the intelligence he provided to the president said there was plenty of WMD. Also "lying" and committing perjury are two very different things,
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Does a mouse know he is being programmed while running through the maze? So you believe the Warren Commission told the truth when they provided the magic bullet theory as an explanation of how Oswald acted alone?
led mike
led mike wrote:
So you believe the Warren Commission told the truth when they provided the magic bullet theory as an explanation of how Oswald acted alone?
Most sane people do.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Shog9 wrote:
For a computer game. What's next, rape charges for sketching nude pictures of classmates?
What if he made a map shaped like a nude woman. Then he'd be really screwed.
There actually are Unreal Tournament maps where you battle on a giant(big, not fat) naked woman. The nipples also work as trampolines to shoot you into the air...
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Shog9 wrote:
Because, seriously, who hasn't wanted to run through their local mall, etc., with a chainsaw...
Ummmm... me for one :~
led mike
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Going to an alternative school means he was expelled from his prior school...
and not just the next school district over either. Alternative schools are regional and filled exclusively with people who've been booted from their original location. Most of those students will have a criminal record with real crimes as opposed to thought crimes on it. The academics will probably be exclusively at the remedial level since generally good students don't get expelled. Assuming this kid is an average or better student (reasonable since a stupid person probably wouldn't be able to use the map editor) he'll be either bored out of his mind or doing an all day independent study and almost completely isolated from the other inmates in his school
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