Video Games are dangerous
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Now that's a racist consideration. Is your America white?
Actually it's a "racial" consideration and also true. You can do the math yourself. Of course, it might be more of a socioeconomic thing. I checked into it after critically watching Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore went out of his way to make a point that "some people" claim that gun violence has to do with race, but Canada has "plenty of black people" (he then went out of his way to find the only two black people in Canada to film and specifically avoided mentioning numbers, which is always suspicious for him) and little gun violence. Not being a racist, I had never thought of that before, so I checked into it and proportionately adjusted the populations and gun violence wound up being almost exactly the same among the white populations, despite Canada's anti-gun laws. You can come to your own conclusions, but that seems to be a basic trend.
But its irrelevant. America is America in all of its colorful splendor. When speaking of American violence you can't equate out a segment of the population to make it appear cleaner. That would equate to stating that the Real America is the one where we don't count black people.
This statement was never false.
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James L. Thomson wrote:
Do you think it an overreaction to say that such actions would be infringing on your rights, or that arresting all children for these actions would represent a looming threat to our general freedoms?
No,as a matter of fact, I don't. In fact, I think allowing local communities to deal with such issues as they best see fit is the very definition of our general freedoms. I think trying to reengineer our society so that only the all powerful megastate can make decisions of this sort for everybody, everywhere all the time (which is what all of you are actually argueing for) would be the grossest sort of over-reaction and would mean the complete destruction of our general freedoms as Americans.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
No,as a matter of fact, I don't. In fact, I think allowing local communities to deal with such issues as they best see fit is the very definition of our general freedoms. I think trying to reengineer our society so that only the all powerful megastate can make decisions of this sort for everybody, everywhere all the time (which is what all of you are actually argueing for) would be the grossest sort of over-reaction and would mean the complete destruction of our general freedoms as Americans.
So you're saying that rampant violations of our civil liberties are alright so long as they're done by the local communities instead of the federal government? And where did I say or imply that the situation would have been better if the kid had been violated by the FBI rather than local cops and the school board? If your going to use a straw man at least construct one that looks vaguely like my argument.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Neither does athiesm.
Not necessarily implicitly, but it's certainly a likely and frequent result of it.
We'll agree that your conclusion was silly.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I agree however that it would've been prudent NOT to have made that CS map.
Only because of the general level of paranoia. Back in the day, we made Doom / C&C maps of everything. Because, seriously, who hasn't wanted to run through their local mall, etc., with a chainsaw... ...point is, he made a frickin' map. For a computer game. What's next, rape charges for sketching nude pictures of classmates? :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
What's next, rape charges for sketching nude pictures of classmates?
Last month, two Belgian publications reported that the Brussels police have begun an investigation into a citizen's allegations of rape -- in Second Life.[^]
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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But its irrelevant. America is America in all of its colorful splendor. When speaking of American violence you can't equate out a segment of the population to make it appear cleaner.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
But its irrelevant.
Statistically, it's extremely relevant and actually accounts for the discrepency between US and European gun violence and murder rates (again, despite the loose gun laws here compared to Europe). It would be foolish to ignore that observable and measureable truth in order to fit the world into your multicultural views. You need to ask "Why do black people commit so many murders?", rather than skirting the issue.
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led mike wrote:
So you are back to the avoiding answering questions game.
How did I avoid it? I told you that I believed was a perfectly reasonable theory. Since I have no reason to disbelieve it, then I suppose I believe it. It's just not something I devote much thought to (which contradicts your theory that it's somehow all-encompasing) or care all that much about. But if you're so adamantly against the magic bullet theory, you should visit the book repository and see what a clear shot Oswald actually had.
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led mike wrote:
As opposed to Bush who has done a better job of covering up the fact that he lied about WMDs in Iraq because that lie didn't leave a stain on anyone's dress.
According to George Tenet himself (who is trying to undermine the president since he was fired), all the intelligence he provided to the president said there was plenty of WMD. Also "lying" and committing perjury are two very different things,
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led mike wrote:
So you don't require proof, you don't question, you just blindly believe any lie your republican masters tell you? Is that the definition of a Democracy, a Republic, that the founders had for our country?
Democrats were in charge of that investigation...
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We'll agree that your conclusion was silly.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
That nihilism (the belief that the human experience is meaningless) can easily be derived from atheism (that the human experience is temporary and will ultimately end and be forgotten and therefore is meaningless)? I think not.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Also "lying" and committing perjury are two very different things,
And how sad it is for that has become our standard.
led mike
I think you missed the part where I said that the director of the CIA who is currently trying to undermine the president stated that the president did not lie and acted on bad intelligence supplied by him (which he claims he did not know was bad at the time). That pretty much dispelled your "Bush lied" myth.
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led mike wrote:
What does the book repository have to do with the magic bullet theory?
Well I guess it has more to that other thing where people say that it wasn't possible for him to hit JFK twice from that location.
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led mike wrote:
So you are saying you are a democrat?
Maybe a 19th century democrat.
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led mike wrote:
What does the book repository have to do with the magic bullet theory?
Well I guess it has more to that other thing where people say that it wasn't possible for him to hit JFK twice from that location.
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led mike wrote:
So I guess you are posting things that have nothing to do with my post.
Yeah maybe, but then I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The purpose of opposing the magic bullet theory (which, my understanding is that most reasonable scientists who have looked at it think it's a reasonable theory) is to show that there were multiple gunmen. If the experts seem to think the theory is reasonable and Oswald had a clear shot (which I saw first hand that he did), then I think it's a perfectly reasonable assessment.
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led mike wrote:
So I guess you are posting things that have nothing to do with my post.
Yeah maybe, but then I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The purpose of opposing the magic bullet theory (which, my understanding is that most reasonable scientists who have looked at it think it's a reasonable theory) is to show that there were multiple gunmen. If the experts seem to think the theory is reasonable and Oswald had a clear shot (which I saw first hand that he did), then I think it's a perfectly reasonable assessment.
Red Stateler wrote:
the magic bullet theory (which, my understanding is that most reasonable scientists who have looked at it think it's a reasonable theory)
Link please. I will no time soon be willing to base my knowledge on your understanding.
led mike
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That nihilism (the belief that the human experience is meaningless) can easily be derived from atheism (that the human experience is temporary and will ultimately end and be forgotten and therefore is meaningless)? I think not.
No, the conclusion that atheism gives rise to school shootings.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No,as a matter of fact, I don't. In fact, I think allowing local communities to deal with such issues as they best see fit is the very definition of our general freedoms. I think trying to reengineer our society so that only the all powerful megastate can make decisions of this sort for everybody, everywhere all the time (which is what all of you are actually argueing for) would be the grossest sort of over-reaction and would mean the complete destruction of our general freedoms as Americans.
So you're saying that rampant violations of our civil liberties are alright so long as they're done by the local communities instead of the federal government? And where did I say or imply that the situation would have been better if the kid had been violated by the FBI rather than local cops and the school board? If your going to use a straw man at least construct one that looks vaguely like my argument.
James L. Thomson wrote:
So you're saying that rampant violations of our civil liberties are alright so long as they're done by the local communities instead of the federal government?
I'm saying that local government is empowered to work out just these kinds of issues in their own way, just as Jefferson, Madison, et al intended. You are another perfect example of an American who does not have the slightest clue about the form of government you are a member of.
James L. Thomson wrote:
And where did I say or imply that the situation would have been better if the kid had been violated by the FBI rather than local cops and the school board? If your going to use a straw man at least construct one that looks vaguely like my argument.
Than what the hell are you saying? If what happened was unacceptable, how do we prevent it from happening again?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about