So did anyone else see that ABC God debate thing?
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Yeah, who needs science? We have the Bible which contains all the knowledge and explanations that we need. People wanting to understand the universe is because of the fall of man. What ever happened to simply having faith and obeying God? :rolleyes:
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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What ever happened to simply having faith and obeying God?
The apple was tastier. :)
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It proves that god created science so man would have a mechanism for proving god exists and that god created science. Or something like that.
What I really want to know is: what or who created god? Did god create himself?
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
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What I really want to know is: what or who created god? Did god create himself?
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
What I really want to know is: what or who created god?
Bender and Fry. See, they were drunk one night and Bender had an idea....
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Quote: The entire paradox of using scientific reasoning to prove god's existence leaves my head spinning. Me too, science is supposed to apply to real things, not imaginary ones.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
Which is why (no matter what some boneheaded theist says) science and theism is irreconcilable. Science is a tool to describe the natural world using natural explanations, while [pan]theism is an attempt to describe the natural world using supernatural explanations. The latter is quite ludicrous because it implies that you - a natural being - can say yea or nay about things outside the natural universe. Not caring about this is just asking for an endless supply of cans of worms... I bet it is possible to put forth a scientific explanation for the reason why some people cling on to supernaturalism.
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
What I really want to know is: what or who created god?
Bender and Fry. See, they were drunk one night and Bender had an idea....
Heh. I bet the idea involved alcohol, prostitutes and gambling, but got out of hand...
-- The Show That Watches Back
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Which is why (no matter what some boneheaded theist says) science and theism is irreconcilable. Science is a tool to describe the natural world using natural explanations, while [pan]theism is an attempt to describe the natural world using supernatural explanations. The latter is quite ludicrous because it implies that you - a natural being - can say yea or nay about things outside the natural universe. Not caring about this is just asking for an endless supply of cans of worms... I bet it is possible to put forth a scientific explanation for the reason why some people cling on to supernaturalism.
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
I think that the reason that some people follow religions is to get a feeling of superiority (i.e. I am better than you because I have special knowledge from God), like the reason people go to political extremism or conspiracy theories.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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Yes, we must resist the junkies! (Religion must be some kind of drug for the mind - I don't have a better explanation)
-- Painstakingly Drawn Before a Live Audience
I agree with you about religion is like a drug. Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkf7DpnnNck&mode=related&search= :laugh:
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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I think that the reason that some people follow religions is to get a feeling of superiority (i.e. I am better than you because I have special knowledge from God), like the reason people go to political extremism or conspiracy theories.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
Yes, as if the common herd were worth conspiring against! :laugh: Think that was arrogant enough? :rolleyes:
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Yes, as if the common herd were worth conspiring against! :laugh: Think that was arrogant enough? :rolleyes:
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What I really want to know is: what or who created god? Did god create himself?
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
what or who created god? Did god create himself?
That is a silly argument also, however, because it is just as logical that god could be self created, or simply eternal, as it is that the universe could be. Given our current understanding, either possibility is equally implausible. The problem is fundamentally did intelligence create the universe or did the universe create intelligence?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Which is why (no matter what some boneheaded theist says) science and theism is irreconcilable. Science is a tool to describe the natural world using natural explanations, while [pan]theism is an attempt to describe the natural world using supernatural explanations. The latter is quite ludicrous because it implies that you - a natural being - can say yea or nay about things outside the natural universe. Not caring about this is just asking for an endless supply of cans of worms... I bet it is possible to put forth a scientific explanation for the reason why some people cling on to supernaturalism.
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
Are you really that comfortable with having one, and only one algorithm for thinking about the universe?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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What ever happened to simply having faith and obeying God?
The apple was tastier. :)
-- This episode performed entirely by sock puppets
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Yes, we must resist the junkies! (Religion must be some kind of drug for the mind - I don't have a better explanation)
-- Painstakingly Drawn Before a Live Audience
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Given half a chance, the religious people would have us all living in the dark ages again.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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I agree with you about religion is like a drug. Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkf7DpnnNck&mode=related&search= :laugh:
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
Hehe.. speaking in tongues. :-D I've seen saner crack heads than them. :-D
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
what or who created god? Did god create himself?
That is a silly argument also, however, because it is just as logical that god could be self created, or simply eternal, as it is that the universe could be. Given our current understanding, either possibility is equally implausible. The problem is fundamentally did intelligence create the universe or did the universe create intelligence?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
That is a silly argument also, however, because it is just as logical that god could be self created, or simply eternal, as it is that the universe could be.
Why is it that I'm silly for asking these questions, while it is perfectly alright to claim that the universe was created by a god?
Stan Shannon wrote:
The problem is fundamentally did intelligence create the universe or did the universe create intelligence?
Yes, and all the evidence points to the latter. It is downright silly to claim that the universe was created by an intelligent being. I'm gonna leave it at that, for now. :)
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Are you really that comfortable with having one, and only one algorithm for thinking about the universe?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
I've just eliminated one algorithm out of a nearly infinite amount of algorithms. (I'm not entirely sure what the heck you mean with "algorithm" in this context) For instance, I've eliminated the algorithm leading to the conclusion that a pink unicorn created the universe.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Religion must be some kind of drug for the mind
Damn, you'll have Stan calling us Marxists again. :doh:
I don't think anything would stop him from doing that. If I knew him, I'd go buy him a copy of the communist manifest, a t-shirt with Che on it, rum & coke (Cuba Libre por favor!) and a red flag for his birthday. Since I cannot convince him that I'm not a Marxist, I'd just play along.
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I don't think anything would stop him from doing that. If I knew him, I'd go buy him a copy of the communist manifest, a t-shirt with Che on it, rum & coke (Cuba Libre por favor!) and a red flag for his birthday. Since I cannot convince him that I'm not a Marxist, I'd just play along.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I don't think anything would stop him from doing that.
Not likely, I guess.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
rum & coke
I don't think that would mix well with all the zinfandel I've had tonight. :~
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I'd just play along
Yes, just humor him until someone can drop a net over him. :laugh:
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Nice try, but my head was built with paradox-absorbing crumple zones! [/Futurama]
Cheers, Patrick
I am not alone!