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  • M Marc Clifton

    A primary key should never represent any real value like a SSN. Marc

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    jith iii
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    Ok..then what is your opinion, can it be used as a unique key.

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    • V Vikram A Punathambekar

      So you fall into the "PKs should only be GUIDs" camp?

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      Marc Clifton
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      Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

      So you fall into the "PKs should only be GUIDs" camp?

      Absolutely. :) Marc

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      • J jith iii

        Ok..then what is your opinion, can it be used as a unique key.

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        Marc Clifton
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        jith - iii wrote:

        Ok..but can it be used as a unique key.

        Ah, for indexing? That I don't know. Marc

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        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

          So you fall into the "PKs should only be GUIDs" camp?

          Cheers, Vıkram.


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          I've been doing db related business apps for...well forever and I've come to learn that it's a wise person who uses Guid's as primary keys. Besides all the uniqueness reasons and ease of combining databases etc it's a huge performance benefit because you can generate them at the client and do single trips to the db server for just about any operation.


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          • J jith iii

            Ok.But I have read somewhere(could not get that article though I'm searching it for an hour) that in some cases like a missing identity or something like that the SSN may be reused. Like we may see more than one person with the same SSN in a 100 year period,if other guy had expired or missing long before.

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            Nish Nishant
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            jith - iii wrote:

            Ok.But I have read somewhere(could not get that article though I'm searching it for an hour) that in some cases like a missing identity or something like that the SSN may be reused. Like we may see more than one person with the same SSN in a 100 year period,if other guy had expired or missing long before.

            That article was incorrect then. The site I linked to is the official govt website.

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            • V Vikram A Punathambekar

              So you fall into the "PKs should only be GUIDs" camp?

              Cheers, Vıkram.


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              Sathesh Sakthivel
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              Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

              "PKs should only be GUIDs"

              Yes.

              Regards, Satips.

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              • J jith iii

                Some where I read that SSN(social security number) can not be considered as primary key in complex applications. I also heard that if a person died now,after say 50 years there is a possibility for the SSN being reassigned. Is it right?

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                leckey 0
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                Strangely though they change your SSN after you die.

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  jith - iii wrote:

                  Ok..but can it be used as a unique key.

                  Ah, for indexing? That I don't know. Marc

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                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                  jith iii
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                  Not only for indexing.I mean if I have a column SSN which is not the primary key and I use GUID(Though no one here dare to follow it) as primary key,would that be a wrong decision if I set unique constraint for SSN.

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                  • J jith iii

                    Some where I read that SSN(social security number) can not be considered as primary key in complex applications. I also heard that if a person died now,after say 50 years there is a possibility for the SSN being reassigned. Is it right?

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                    jetwash
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                    Aside from the duplication issue, it would probably be a poor choice of primary key for a couple of other reasons. First, A person could decline to give you their SSN because of privacy or fraud concerns. If this were the case, you would have to generate a key value that does not duplicate any of the possible SSNs. The process for doing so would almost certainly be more complex than just generating a unique key up front. Second, by using SSN as a primary key, you introduce privacy requirements into your schema and processing. You would have to make sure that some output does not accidently expose the SSN to unauthorized recipients either explicitly or accidently, e.g. as part of some network communication. I would think that using SSN as a primary key would be more trouble than it is worth.

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      A primary key should never represent any real value like a SSN. Marc

                      Thyme In The Country
                      Interacx

                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                      Rocky Moore
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                      It was not that long ago, database purists said keys should "only" be real values and not just numbers or other forms of non-revelant data :)

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                      • M Member 96

                        I've been doing db related business apps for...well forever and I've come to learn that it's a wise person who uses Guid's as primary keys. Besides all the uniqueness reasons and ease of combining databases etc it's a huge performance benefit because you can generate them at the client and do single trips to the db server for just about any operation.


                        "110%" - it's the new 70%

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                        Brady Kelly
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                        Not to mention testing scenarios. I have had so many where I need to generate multitudes of new numbers, and with GUID's I really felt the lack of ID 'collisions' tangibly.

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                        • J jith iii

                          Not only for indexing.I mean if I have a column SSN which is not the primary key and I use GUID(Though no one here dare to follow it) as primary key,would that be a wrong decision if I set unique constraint for SSN.

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                          Brady Kelly
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                          I would not have a problem. We use an Identity Number in South Africa. It's name describes it's very purpose, and I have often encountered these or used them as a unique constraint.

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                          • J jetwash

                            Aside from the duplication issue, it would probably be a poor choice of primary key for a couple of other reasons. First, A person could decline to give you their SSN because of privacy or fraud concerns. If this were the case, you would have to generate a key value that does not duplicate any of the possible SSNs. The process for doing so would almost certainly be more complex than just generating a unique key up front. Second, by using SSN as a primary key, you introduce privacy requirements into your schema and processing. You would have to make sure that some output does not accidently expose the SSN to unauthorized recipients either explicitly or accidently, e.g. as part of some network communication. I would think that using SSN as a primary key would be more trouble than it is worth.

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                            Brady Kelly
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                            Another issue may be storing data on non-US citizens. You would probably have to use a passport number as a substitute.

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