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Where do they come from?:rolleyes: I gave a briefing to my new boss and some staff about what .NET is all about. His response was "I don't understand. I thought .NET would allow you to write applications faster. How can it take six months to write something? Did we make a mistake going this route?" His view of .NET prior to my presentation was that .NET was just another reusable library, plug it in and you have an application.
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Where do they come from?:rolleyes: I gave a briefing to my new boss and some staff about what .NET is all about. His response was "I don't understand. I thought .NET would allow you to write applications faster. How can it take six months to write something? Did we make a mistake going this route?" His view of .NET prior to my presentation was that .NET was just another reusable library, plug it in and you have an application.
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so we should call you "dilbert" from now on?
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Where do they come from?:rolleyes: I gave a briefing to my new boss and some staff about what .NET is all about. His response was "I don't understand. I thought .NET would allow you to write applications faster. How can it take six months to write something? Did we make a mistake going this route?" His view of .NET prior to my presentation was that .NET was just another reusable library, plug it in and you have an application.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Earth?
How would you know? It seems unfamiliar to you.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If not, what good is it?
Don't even start with your "Natural Language" speal.
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so we should call you "dilbert" from now on?
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No. I'm striving to be Wally.;)
only two letters away from being an asset
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Earth?
How would you know? It seems unfamiliar to you.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If not, what good is it?
Don't even start with your "Natural Language" speal.
only two letters away from being an asset
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No. I'm striving to be Wally.;)
only two letters away from being an asset
pretend to be catbert, probably thing will go much better from then on :-D
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Well, does it?
Yes! For certain types of applications it does e.g. database apps, simple forms app, web apps. This compared to the same development work in C++/MFC/ISAPI.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If so, how much faster?
Anywhere between 0-300%. Why? IDE support, care free programming for memory allocations (no need to worry about memory allocations and allocating responsibility to classes for managing memory), Reflection and dynamic code generation. These 4 immediately come to mind.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Why is it always so hard to get simple answers to simple questions on these forums? I'll ask again.
Because the question came from you. If it were anyone else...
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Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Does .NET make development faster?
Yes, at least in my experience.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If so, how much faster?
That's hard to quantify. It's more like - we can do more in the same amount of time and with fewer headaches.
Cheers, Patrick
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Why is it always so hard to get simple answers to simple questions on these forums? I'll ask again.
Because the question came from you. If it were anyone else...
A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic
2006, 2007 -
The Grand Negus wrote:
Does .NET make development faster?
Yes, at least in my experience.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If so, how much faster?
That's hard to quantify. It's more like - we can do more in the same amount of time and with fewer headaches.
Cheers, Patrick
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Well, does it? If so, how much faster?
Compared to what? Measured how?
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Well, does it?
Yes! For certain types of applications it does e.g. database apps, simple forms app, web apps. This compared to the same development work in C++/MFC/ISAPI.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If so, how much faster?
Anywhere between 0-300%. Why? IDE support, care free programming for memory allocations (no need to worry about memory allocations and allocating responsibility to classes for managing memory), Reflection and dynamic code generation. These 4 immediately come to mind.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Does .NET make development faster?
More productive? Perhaps, assuming that you throw out all the Macros, development tools, and libs that I've used in the past for C/C++. I'd be interested in a real case study on this myself. I've read numerous things where people state that they are more productive with .net. I'd love to read a paper that quantifies their findings.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Well, does it? If so, how much faster?
Compared to what? Measured how?
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I'd say it's significant. I've spent the last three days doing something in C++ that would have taken me minutes or hours in C# (unfortunately, this is meant to run on Linux so .NET is a non-starter).
Cheers, Patrick
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Why is it always so hard to get simple answers to simple questions on these forums? I'll ask again. Does .NET make development faster? If so, how much faster? If not, what good is it?
Well, for starters, not every simplistic question has a simple answer. This concept is found confusing by many; especially by those who expect people to dumb down their answers to their questioners' level. Of course one of the unexpected bonuses we get with .NET is that many folks who are trying to pass themselves off as programmers reveal their ignorance by trying to reduce the benefits of .NET to a simple answer. Then they're fired and they go off and start vaporware companies to make vaporware products.
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I'd say it's significant. I've spent the last three days doing something in C++ that would have taken me minutes or hours in C# (unfortunately, this is meant to run on Linux so .NET is a non-starter).
Cheers, Patrick
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Shouldn't Mark have been able to say to his boss that the six months in question would have been twelve without .NET?
That's a good question. That will be true if the time spent in the project is only for coding. Unfortunately there are other things which consume majority of the time in a project.