Does your boss give you feedback?
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Do you have a review period?
John
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Usually no news is good news.
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Do you have a review period?
John
Err kinda, not 100% sure what you mean but I know my pay is reviewed after the first 6 months and thereafter every 12 months...thats from my employment contract. Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
I've done a few seminars on working styles. Some managers won't give you feedback unless you ask for it. If you feel it is important, meet with your boss and say, these are my goals, this is my gameplan to reach these goals. Do these seem acceptable to you? Personally, my mentality when I was a manager, is that it is my responsibility to give you all the tools you need to be promoted. A boss should be a mentor as well as a boss. Sometimes this is hard if your boss doesn't understand programming. I feel a boss should always ask themselves, what can I do to make you a better employee?
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I've done a few seminars on working styles. Some managers won't give you feedback unless you ask for it. If you feel it is important, meet with your boss and say, these are my goals, this is my gameplan to reach these goals. Do these seem acceptable to you? Personally, my mentality when I was a manager, is that it is my responsibility to give you all the tools you need to be promoted. A boss should be a mentor as well as a boss. Sometimes this is hard if your boss doesn't understand programming. I feel a boss should always ask themselves, what can I do to make you a better employee?
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
I may have to go up and ask him eventually...tis kinda preying on the mind :-P Although I feel a bit of an idiot doing it, its almost like going up to someone and asking them if they like you or not! :) Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Senseicads wrote:
I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this?
There is nothing wrong with doing this, Actually it may even impress your boss. It shows that you care, and that you want to know if you're meeting their quality expectations or if there is somewhere you should improve. It can feel a bit weird, but i've done plenty of times! of course he usually replies back: ----------------------------------------- Boss: yes its great... but what if we do it this way!.... Me:.... yeah i could do that... it means i have to go back and completly rewrite what i just showed yet, but yes it certainly is possible
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Err kinda, not 100% sure what you mean but I know my pay is reviewed after the first 6 months and thereafter every 12 months...thats from my employment contract. Cheers Ian
Usually at the review you will get some feedback from your boss at least that is what we do. We too have a 6 month first review followed by yearly reviews. On the review we are forced to fill out a form and our boss is supposed to discuss our answers and make suggestions on how we can improve and also this includes a review of how the boss feels we are doing. After a few years of this you have nothing more to say and the form becomes a pain but you still have to participate. I do this by revising my answers for last year. The boss feels the same way too as I have had both roles...
John
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I may have to go up and ask him eventually...tis kinda preying on the mind :-P Although I feel a bit of an idiot doing it, its almost like going up to someone and asking them if they like you or not! :) Cheers Ian
If your boss is truly management material, he/she should apprciate that you are taking time to make sure you are meeting expectations. If you are a person who likes a lot of feedback, don't be afraid to say you would like to meet monthly/quarterly to discuss how things are going. Managers should be flexible enough to meet your working style.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
My last job was like this, no feedback, no reviews, nothing. When I first said I was leaving, they told me they had plans for me as a team leader, but I had to leave to know they even knew who I was. I don't think it's bad for you to ask for feedback, given that they hired you knowing that you didn't know the language. Does the company do code reviews ? If not, I'd ask for one, I'd say something like 'as you know, I came into this job not knowing VB.NET, I've been working here for a while now, and I'd appreciate it if you could take the time to offer a review of my code, so that we can identify areas where I can focus on improving beyond what I've achieved since I started'. Something like that. Don't say 'do you think my code sucks', say, 'I'd appreciate you helping me work out how I can continue to make my code better'.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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no news is good news
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
Yeah I suppose your right...I mean if there was any signifcant problems he would have already collared me wouldn't he :) lol Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
:rolleyes: My employer is doing quarterly reviews now. Can't say they really make much of a difference to me. I did get a gift card for B&N the other day though, as sort of a thank-you for speeding up a very slow process. That was cool. I'm gonna second CG's recommendation: ask for a code review. Worst-case: they tell you nothing. Best case: your code is mostly ok, but you find out about a few key areas where you can improve. Regardless, sitting down and going over your code with someone else will give you an opportunity to gauge the attitude of others toward your work.
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Yeah I suppose your right...I mean if there was any signifcant problems he would have already collared me wouldn't he :) lol Cheers Ian
Not necessarily. Be the first to step forward. Apart from anything else, if there IS an issue, you force it to be discussed in light of your desire to improve, not their eventual desire to pull you up for a problem.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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:rolleyes: My employer is doing quarterly reviews now. Can't say they really make much of a difference to me. I did get a gift card for B&N the other day though, as sort of a thank-you for speeding up a very slow process. That was cool. I'm gonna second CG's recommendation: ask for a code review. Worst-case: they tell you nothing. Best case: your code is mostly ok, but you find out about a few key areas where you can improve. Regardless, sitting down and going over your code with someone else will give you an opportunity to gauge the attitude of others toward your work.
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i hope you are feeling sleepy for people not calling you by the same.
--BarnaKol on abusive words
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Senseicads wrote:
Does your boss give you feedback?
The boss (also known as my wife) only talks to me when there is something wrong! :sigh:
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Does your company do source code reviews? If not you may want to suggest doing them. I find that a lot of good feedback is given in those reviews. Then you can gauge how you are doing by the number and type of comments you are receiving on your code. Phil
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I am asking this because I have just started a junior role as an asp/vb.net developer after coming out of Uni. I had no previous experience of anything .net related although I did have a bit of sql server and power builder development in a summer job, stored procedure writing and such like. My employer knows my lack of knowledge with regards to .net and in the interview was very helpful and said enthusiasm for the work was the important thing, which I must have demonstrated as they employed me! :D Now I have been here 2 months working well, or I think working well, but they have offered me no feedback on whether they are happy with the way things are going or if my code is ok. The work I am doing is great and I am learning a lot, but there is nothing from my manager to say what I am doing is ok. I mean I guess I should be a little more confident in my own abilities and work, but not knowing vb.net before I started I am a little unsure as to what they expected from me and whether I am meeting those expectations. I am prob being a little paranoid about it all too! :D I don’t really want to go up to them and say “Am I doing ok and meeting your expectations?” as it seems a bit naff. Do other people do this? I would be extremely interested to hear other peoples takes on this and what they have found in other employment situations. The other jobs I have had have all been temporary so this is all new for me :D Cheers Ian
Usually, as already stated a couple of others, no news is good news. However, I have been in situations before where the feedback I think should have been given to me straight away. Instead, it was sat on until the next formal review took place, so my review results were impacted in a bad way. My current boss though is really great - we've just started a working breakfast each week or two, where we can discuss the general happenings in the business and kind of review each other as well, so that we can improve where we can. So from my experiences, I'd ask for some sort of feedback on how you are going. Given what you say they mentioned in the interview, it sounds like that it will go over really really well as it will show an enthusiasm to your job, and they really shouldn't be able to fault you for wanting to improve yourself and skills. I can remember what it is like coming out of uni into your first full time job. I know that I would do things a bit differently if I could go back and change things at my first out of uni job!
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