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    realJSOP
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    FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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      gaurav_scr
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      If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout. So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

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        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
        -----
        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        Rage
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        Same old story, John...

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
          -----
          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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          Rocky Moore
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          Yeah, back just a little while ago, Opera was as bad as IE6 in messing things up. They seem to be better now as long as you have a standard doctype. One thing to check is that you are not entering Quirks mode, that can really mess up a page. You need to make sure to specify the doctype of a page and do not server it up as XML or IE6 blows it. Another is that Firefox and Opera use a different box mode than IE6 (calculations of the size of a box). In IE6 the padding is added to the size you specify for a box while the others consider the size to be before padding is added (this can really mess up if you use 100% as it is looked at as 100% + padding). Not sure if Opera is still doing it, but in the last version I checked, it put a margin or padding around the "Form" tag which of course Firefox and IE do not. That made some designs look hosed in Opera unless you set them to zero first. IE 7 does do a much better job at rendering (close to Opera and Firefox).

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
            -----
            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            Nemanja Trifunovic
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            I like CSS a lot for formatting, but when it comes to layout I'm not so sure :~


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              If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout. So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

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              gaurav_scr wrote:

              If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout.

              Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obvious...

              gaurav_scr wrote:

              So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

              Wow, you're full of useful information. Do you mind if I write that down?

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                -----
                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                Dario Solera
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                I'm quite used to the CSS "specifics" of every browser, but I still think that there must be something wrong in a standard that no one actually follows. JavaScript is even worse...

                If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                  -----
                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  DavidNohejl
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                  :zzz:

                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                  I was hoping in you vs Captain See Sharp flamewar :( Alright, what about <!--[if IE ]> "hack"? You would basicaly have to create two different stylesheets, but that's it. Probably easier then make one that works on IE AND FF/Opera...


                  "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    gaurav_scr wrote:

                    If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout.

                    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obvious...

                    gaurav_scr wrote:

                    So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

                    Wow, you're full of useful information. Do you mind if I write that down?

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                    -----
                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    Jerry Hammond
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                    Hey, John, you steal *cough* I mean avoid paying for any more DVDs lately?!

                    "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                      -----
                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      Just stick with <font> tags, <table>s for layout, transparent gifs for positioning and spacing and all your problems will go away. ...but as others have said: check your DOCTYPE. Oh, and come back to me in a couple of week's and you'll be complaining about how Firefox does some really dumb things. Then a week after that Opera. Then a couple more weeks it will be IE again. It's called Job Security.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Just stick with <font> tags, <table>s for layout, transparent gifs for positioning and spacing and all your problems will go away. ...but as others have said: check your DOCTYPE. Oh, and come back to me in a couple of week's and you'll be complaining about how Firefox does some really dumb things. Then a week after that Opera. Then a couple more weeks it will be IE again. It's called Job Security.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Antony M Kancidrowski
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                        Where's Netscape in your list...Oh, yeah! right I'll shut up ;)

                        Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
                        I'm coloured, yet clear.
                        I'm fruity and sweet.
                        I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
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                          Where's Netscape in your list...Oh, yeah! right I'll shut up ;)

                          Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
                          I'm coloured, yet clear.
                          I'm fruity and sweet.
                          I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
                          - David Walliams (Little Britain)

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                          Chris Maunder
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                          Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4. It's nice to be able to finally get rid of (most of) them ;)

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                            -----
                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            Matt Newman
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                            Yeah the only thing worse than CSS is... Ok nothing is.

                            Matt Newman

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                            • realJSOPR realJSOP

                              FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                              -----
                              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                              David Wulff
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                              That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


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                                That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


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                                DavidNohejl
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                                Great Daves think alike :rolleyes:


                                "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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                                  Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4. It's nice to be able to finally get rid of (most of) them ;)

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                  Andy Brummer
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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4.

                                  I believe it. That was a horrible browser even when it was released. Hasn't it been a while since it was a major browser though?


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                                    Great Daves think alike :rolleyes:


                                    "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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                                    David Wulff
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                                    :doh:

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                                    Great Daves

                                    I like that. :-D


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                                      That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


                                      Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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                                      I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milk

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                                      Dario Solera
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                                      Have you read his bio? :wtf:

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                                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                        -----
                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        Oakman
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                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout.

                                        Wow. Does anyone else know this?

                                        Jon Information doesn't want to be free. It wants to be sixty-nine cents @ pound.

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                                          Yeah the only thing worse than CSS is... Ok nothing is.

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                                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                          Huh???

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