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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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    Rage
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    Same old story, John...

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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      Rocky Moore
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      Yeah, back just a little while ago, Opera was as bad as IE6 in messing things up. They seem to be better now as long as you have a standard doctype. One thing to check is that you are not entering Quirks mode, that can really mess up a page. You need to make sure to specify the doctype of a page and do not server it up as XML or IE6 blows it. Another is that Firefox and Opera use a different box mode than IE6 (calculations of the size of a box). In IE6 the padding is added to the size you specify for a box while the others consider the size to be before padding is added (this can really mess up if you use 100% as it is looked at as 100% + padding). Not sure if Opera is still doing it, but in the last version I checked, it put a margin or padding around the "Form" tag which of course Firefox and IE do not. That made some designs look hosed in Opera unless you set them to zero first. IE 7 does do a much better job at rendering (close to Opera and Firefox).

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        Nemanja Trifunovic
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        I like CSS a lot for formatting, but when it comes to layout I'm not so sure :~


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        • G gaurav_scr

          If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout. So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

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          gaurav_scr wrote:

          If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout.

          Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obvious...

          gaurav_scr wrote:

          So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

          Wow, you're full of useful information. Do you mind if I write that down?

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            Dario Solera
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            I'm quite used to the CSS "specifics" of every browser, but I still think that there must be something wrong in a standard that no one actually follows. JavaScript is even worse...

            If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              DavidNohejl
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              :zzz:

              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

              I was hoping in you vs Captain See Sharp flamewar :( Alright, what about <!--[if IE ]> "hack"? You would basicaly have to create two different stylesheets, but that's it. Probably easier then make one that works on IE AND FF/Opera...


              "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                gaurav_scr wrote:

                If you design your site for IE and then see it in Firefox then it seems like Firefox destroys the layout.

                Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obvious...

                gaurav_scr wrote:

                So I guess you just have to check your website at every step in both the browsers, cos it seems like they follow different standards.

                Wow, you're full of useful information. Do you mind if I write that down?

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                -----
                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                Jerry Hammond
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                Hey, John, you steal *cough* I mean avoid paying for any more DVDs lately?!

                "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  Chris Maunder
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                  Just stick with <font> tags, <table>s for layout, transparent gifs for positioning and spacing and all your problems will go away. ...but as others have said: check your DOCTYPE. Oh, and come back to me in a couple of week's and you'll be complaining about how Firefox does some really dumb things. Then a week after that Opera. Then a couple more weeks it will be IE again. It's called Job Security.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    Just stick with <font> tags, <table>s for layout, transparent gifs for positioning and spacing and all your problems will go away. ...but as others have said: check your DOCTYPE. Oh, and come back to me in a couple of week's and you'll be complaining about how Firefox does some really dumb things. Then a week after that Opera. Then a couple more weeks it will be IE again. It's called Job Security.

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                    Antony M Kancidrowski
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                    Where's Netscape in your list...Oh, yeah! right I'll shut up ;)

                    Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
                    I'm coloured, yet clear.
                    I'm fruity and sweet.
                    I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
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                      Where's Netscape in your list...Oh, yeah! right I'll shut up ;)

                      Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
                      I'm coloured, yet clear.
                      I'm fruity and sweet.
                      I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
                      - David Walliams (Little Britain)

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4. It's nice to be able to finally get rid of (most of) them ;)

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                        -----
                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                        Matt Newman
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                        Yeah the only thing worse than CSS is... Ok nothing is.

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                          -----
                          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                          David Wulff
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                          That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


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                            That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


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                            DavidNohejl
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                            Great Daves think alike :rolleyes:


                            "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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                              Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4. It's nice to be able to finally get rid of (most of) them ;)

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              Andy Brummer
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                              Chris Maunder wrote:

                              Believe it or not, many of the stupdities you'll see in our currently layout are due to Netscape 4.

                              I believe it. That was a horrible browser even when it was released. Hasn't it been a while since it was a major browser though?


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                                Great Daves think alike :rolleyes:


                                "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

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                                David Wulff
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                                :doh:

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                                Great Daves

                                I like that. :-D


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                                • D David Wulff

                                  That's a bit harsh, what has he[^] ever done to you?


                                  Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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                                  Dario Solera
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                                  Have you read his bio? :wtf:

                                  If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                    -----
                                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    Oakman
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                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                    FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout.

                                    Wow. Does anyone else know this?

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                                      Yeah the only thing worse than CSS is... Ok nothing is.

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                                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                      Huh???

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                                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout. I haven't tried it with IE7 yet. Nothing for you guys to see, just complaining...

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                        -----
                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        JimmyRopes
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                                        I Hate CSS

                                        Spoken like a typical noob! CSS is not your problem, cross browser compatibility is the issue here. :doh: Getting web pages to render consistently on all browsers is like trying to herd cats, they all have a different agenda. :sigh: Now that you have left the cloistered Windows C++ cocoon and ventured out into the "Wild West" mentality of the internet there are quite a few more bumps along the way. :~ Just wait until you start coding javascript, presuming you are serious about addressing the wider world of the internet, and you will find subtleties that make CSS rendering seem like child's play. :rolleyes:

                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        FireFox and Opera appear to be pretty much in agreement about what the page should look like, but IE6 completely destroys the layout.

                                        Did you report it to Micro$oft? :laugh:

                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        I haven't tried it with IE7 yet.

                                        IE7 is M$ eating crow. :-D They tried to force others to go along with their view of the browser universe and other browsers started to blow their doors off! :rolleyes: They realized that the sheep weren't following blindly in that brave new world called the internet. :doh: Not unlike "Mission Accomplished!" :~ to much fanfare when they took on Netscape and won they couldn't just declare victory and assume that it will happen. :doh: There were competing browsers and they offered more of what a browser should do. :cool: They quite simply had to conform a little closer to where the competition was going or be left behind. :cool: If you really want to get serious about cross browser compatibility don't forget Netscape, AOL OpenRide, Maxthon, Avant, Konqueror and, err ... did I mention Safari, to name a few. :wtf:

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                                          Huh???

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                                          Matt Newman
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                                          Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                          Huh???

                                          Lets just say I have done alot of CSS at work... painful painful work!

                                          Matt Newman

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