Latin America lures Indian IT firms
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mirano wrote:
Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by.
Oh absolutely. Oops. Give me a minute please while I check in some really crappy Indian code I wrote just now. ...[pause while Nish checks in crappy Indian code]... Back :-) So yeah. Agree with you. Sure. You've definitely got a point there. ;P
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
Prat.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm waiting for that to happen here in the US (actually, it has happened at least once in my experience, I actually did some consulting for the company).
Yes, a few Indian companies do have offices in the US and they hire local talent (means Americans mostly) :-)
Marc Clifton wrote:
Resourcing. Crazy, huh?
Economists have been predicting that for years now though.
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Economists have been predicting that for years now though.
Indeed. Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately? Marc
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
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A couple of years ago I remember reading how Latin America based near-shoring may take over from off-shoring to India/China because of cultural, time-zonal, and cost differences. Guess what? Indian companies are now setting up offices in Latin America. Mexico, Argentina, Brazil and Costa Rica are the most mature sourcing destinations in South or Central America, and it is Indian vendors that are leading the charge.[^] Uhm, gotta brush up on that Spanish now, huh? :-)
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkMexico is relaxing the visa requirements and travel restrictions for people from India. I think this has been an ongoing process that has been hastened in the last 6 months. I would be very impressed if India would open their colleges to students from Mexico now that would be impressive to me. As I am getting older I will be looking for the high end Doctors in resort towns in Mexico you know to fix my liver when I retire. :-D
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
Yeah I agree, it'd be there. But on the positive side, when you take up the good developers count, it would be multiple times of your entire country's population.:doh:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Economists have been predicting that for years now though.
Indeed. Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately?
That just proves that if you predict enough different outcomes, one of them is bound to occur.
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Yeah I agree, it'd be there. But on the positive side, when you take up the good developers count, it would be multiple times of your entire country's population.:doh:
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VuNic wrote:
But on the positive side, when you take up the good developers count, it would be multiple times of your entire country's population
:laugh::laugh:
Regards, Satips.:rose:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately?
That just proves that if you predict enough different outcomes, one of them is bound to occur.
Rob Graham wrote:
one of them is bound to occur.
What?
Regards, Satips.:rose:
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A couple of years ago I remember reading how Latin America based near-shoring may take over from off-shoring to India/China because of cultural, time-zonal, and cost differences. Guess what? Indian companies are now setting up offices in Latin America. Mexico, Argentina, Brazil and Costa Rica are the most mature sourcing destinations in South or Central America, and it is Indian vendors that are leading the charge.[^] Uhm, gotta brush up on that Spanish now, huh? :-)
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Uhm, gotta brush up on that Spanish now, huh?
Or Portuguese, for Brazil.;) Anyway, I think there are issues to consider: 1. Latin American population is big but fragmented into lots of countries. The 3 biggest countries are Brazil (180 million people), Mexico (108 million) and Argentina (32 million). Therefore the people pool is much more fragmented than in India, companies would need to have several operations in several countries and that would add to the costs. 2. Language is a very big issue. English as a second language is not perfect English. Most of times is not even good English. 3. Some of these countries already need a lot of people in IT (e.g.: Chile, Brazil) so if they start supplying offshore services salaries will soon sky-rocket. 4. Many countries in L.A. have a lot of constraining and limiting working and business laws, nothing similar to the flexible Indian legislation. This makes it harder to be competitive in international markets.
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
About 80% of the code written is crap. Around the world, not only India.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately?
That just proves that if you predict enough different outcomes, one of them is bound to occur.
Rob Graham wrote:
Marc Clifton wrote: Amazing...economists actually predicted something accurately? That just proves that if you predict enough different outcomes, one of them is bound to occur.
You beat me to it. That was my very first thoughts when I read what Marc said. :-D
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mirano wrote:
Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by.
Oh absolutely. Oops. Give me a minute please while I check in some really crappy Indian code I wrote just now. ...[pause while Nish checks in crappy Indian code]... Back :-) So yeah. Agree with you. Sure. You've definitely got a point there. ;P
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
...[pause while Nish checks in crappy Indian code]...
Are you using crappy Indian source control too? ;) *duck and run*
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
Most of Latin America's coding sucks anyway. There are only two persons whose code actually does not suck: Miguel de Icaza... and Me. :-D
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Uhm, gotta brush up on that Spanish now, huh?
Or Portuguese, for Brazil.;) Anyway, I think there are issues to consider: 1. Latin American population is big but fragmented into lots of countries. The 3 biggest countries are Brazil (180 million people), Mexico (108 million) and Argentina (32 million). Therefore the people pool is much more fragmented than in India, companies would need to have several operations in several countries and that would add to the costs. 2. Language is a very big issue. English as a second language is not perfect English. Most of times is not even good English. 3. Some of these countries already need a lot of people in IT (e.g.: Chile, Brazil) so if they start supplying offshore services salaries will soon sky-rocket. 4. Many countries in L.A. have a lot of constraining and limiting working and business laws, nothing similar to the flexible Indian legislation. This makes it harder to be competitive in international markets.
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonDiego Moita wrote:
Or Portuguese, for Brazil.
Rather than learning Spanish and Portuguese, just learn Portuñol :-D.
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mirano wrote:
Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by.
Oh absolutely. Oops. Give me a minute please while I check in some really crappy Indian code I wrote just now. ...[pause while Nish checks in crappy Indian code]... Back :-) So yeah. Agree with you. Sure. You've definitely got a point there. ;P
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I check in some really crappy
Uh Nish.... Did you check to make sure that you checked it into the crappy code repository?
Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy
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mirano wrote:
Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by.
Oh absolutely. Oops. Give me a minute please while I check in some really crappy Indian code I wrote just now. ...[pause while Nish checks in crappy Indian code]... Back :-) So yeah. Agree with you. Sure. You've definitely got a point there. ;P
Regards, Nish
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Don't worry, India will still be exporting the code that sucks in 80% of cases for many more years, but less and less as time goes by. Cheers.
I was in Columbia a few years back. A bank there had bought software from an Irish company that just didn't work. They had a dozen Indians working to fix the code. Sucky code is not peculiar to any particular region, though it might be comforting to think so, particularly if your job is outsourced to a different geography.