Rocky Lhotka - A lack of enthusiasm in the Microsoft world?
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
... which we all know will not actually be better or help us do our job more efficiently, especially since we're already spending far too much time working around the bugs and deficiencies in the existing technology. We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed.
May I plagiarize you at some point in the future? That's just too good a turn of phrase to not be used again :-D.
Software Zen:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed.
May I plagiarize you at some point in the future? That's just too good a turn of phrase to not be used again :-D.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
May I plagiarize you at some point in the future?
Go for it. :)
Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
That's just too good a turn of phrase to not be used again
:-D Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
... which we all know will not actually be better or help us do our job more efficiently, especially since we're already spending far too much time working around the bugs and deficiencies in the existing technology. We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithAbsolutely! It's long past time Microsoft fixed the imperfect technology we all use rather than trying to persuade us to by into a new layer of stuff on top of the same old, same old. It's like 'The princess and the pea' only they just keep recommending more mattresses. :doh:
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
... which we all know will not actually be better or help us do our job more efficiently, especially since we're already spending far too much time working around the bugs and deficiencies in the existing technology. We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed.
Well put Marc.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
... which we all know will not actually be better or help us do our job more efficiently, especially since we're already spending far too much time working around the bugs and deficiencies in the existing technology. We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI expected this would get you going Marc! :)
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I expected this would get you going Marc! :)
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I expected this would get you going Marc!
Well, more than the specific subject, it demonstrates why I don't read blogs (except like Rob's). A lot of words and frankly, nothing said that hasn't been said already. And if you're going to say it again, why not say it more succinctly and with some wit? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I expected this would get you going Marc!
Well, more than the specific subject, it demonstrates why I don't read blogs (except like Rob's). A lot of words and frankly, nothing said that hasn't been said already. And if you're going to say it again, why not say it more succinctly and with some wit? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
(except like Rob's).
Marc Clifton wrote:
nothing said that hasn't been said already
Which is why I've pretty much stopped writing new words :-) Finale coming along quite nicely - middle movements still waiting for ideas :)
Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^] My blog mirror http://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
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Marc Clifton wrote:
(except like Rob's).
Marc Clifton wrote:
nothing said that hasn't been said already
Which is why I've pretty much stopped writing new words :-) Finale coming along quite nicely - middle movements still waiting for ideas :)
Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^] My blog mirror http://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
Rob Manderson wrote:
Which is why I've pretty much stopped writing new words
Which is why I actually read your blog when you do post. Ironic, isn't it? But is makes sense. :)
Rob Manderson wrote:
Finale coming along quite nicely - middle movements still waiting for ideas
Sounds like software development. Get the prototype done, get the cool stuff done, then muddle through the middle. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
A lack of enthusiasm in the Microsoft world? [^] "Martin Fowler's recent blog post about Ruby and Microsoft has some good points. But he, like many outside the Microsoft space, make a faulty assumption about why there seems to be a lack of excitement in the Microsoft space. I don't believe the lack of excitement is because we're all bored. Conversely, the lack of excitement is because we're overwhelmed. Who has time to be excited? Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
I'm pretty excited about new technology, but it's hard to keep up. I have to support "old" .NET 2.0 code on a daily basis and can't incorporate the new stuff like silverlight, ruby or anything like that. Heck, I'm already thrilled that I actually got my first project using Windows Workflow Foundation finished. There's also the argument of bugs in these new technologies. With windows workflow I had to work around numerous small limitations or plain errors. Despite these limitations it was easier to build the solution I wanted to create then it would be without this new technology. Besides, it's not like C++ from the 70's is bugfree. So I think that introduction of new technology should be a bit slower, but not by much. Otherwise I will get bored and not have anything to do in my sparetime ;P. In the end I think the current situation is great, as Microsoft, Sun and others are going head-on with their new technologies. It's pretty clear to me that the end result will be a huge load of great products that do make our work easier. Lets hope the quality of these products increases too, because sometimes this isn't really the case.
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A lack of enthusiasm in the Microsoft world? [^] "Martin Fowler's recent blog post about Ruby and Microsoft has some good points. But he, like many outside the Microsoft space, make a faulty assumption about why there seems to be a lack of excitement in the Microsoft space. I don't believe the lack of excitement is because we're all bored. Conversely, the lack of excitement is because we're overwhelmed. Who has time to be excited? Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
Here's my $0.02 regarding the "mounting pile": http://www.stevetrefethen.com/blog/IsMicrosoftExpandingTheAPIWar.aspx -Steve Blog: http://www.stevetrefethen.com/blog Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/SteveTrefethensWeblog
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A lack of enthusiasm in the Microsoft world? [^] "Martin Fowler's recent blog post about Ruby and Microsoft has some good points. But he, like many outside the Microsoft space, make a faulty assumption about why there seems to be a lack of excitement in the Microsoft space. I don't believe the lack of excitement is because we're all bored. Conversely, the lack of excitement is because we're overwhelmed. Who has time to be excited? Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
At first glance, I thought I might be getting flamed, do not see "Rocky" at the beginning of a subject line here very often :) On the topic though, I could not agree more! I have not been so exicted about new technology for more than a decade (.NET being released was close though). There is so much wonderful technology coming out of Redmond that it is hard to decide what areas to sink the old teeth into next. After the dust settles and people get to move projects to the new stuff, it will raise the bar on what to expect from web and desktop applications. Looking at just a few of the demos of how this can be applied to the various vertical markets, gets the old blood pumping at the opportunity out there for major changes in businesses and the process of how things are done. It may take another 5-7 years before most businesses really dig in, but between now and then there is a ton of solutions to build and deploy with the ability to knock their socks off, translating into good revenue streams..
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A lack of enthusiasm in the Microsoft world? [^] "Martin Fowler's recent blog post about Ruby and Microsoft has some good points. But he, like many outside the Microsoft space, make a faulty assumption about why there seems to be a lack of excitement in the Microsoft space. I don't believe the lack of excitement is because we're all bored. Conversely, the lack of excitement is because we're overwhelmed. Who has time to be excited? Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
Kevin McFarlane quoting a blog post wrote:
"there seems to be a lack of excitement in the Microsoft space."
I wouldn't say there was lack of excitement. The Developer Day 5[^] conference sold out in 4 days[^]. That suggests there's a fair bit of excitement and enthusiasm.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: SQL Server 2005 - XML and XML Query Plans, Mock Objects, SQL Server Reporting Services... * Reading: Developer Day 5 Never write for other people. Write for yourself, because you have a passion for it. -- Marc Clifton My website
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Marc Clifton wrote:
(except like Rob's).
Marc Clifton wrote:
nothing said that hasn't been said already
Which is why I've pretty much stopped writing new words :-) Finale coming along quite nicely - middle movements still waiting for ideas :)
Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^] My blog mirror http://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
Rob Manderson wrote:
Finale coming along quite nicely - middle movements still waiting for ideas
I can't wait.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: SQL Server 2005 - XML and XML Query Plans, Mock Objects, SQL Server Reporting Services... * Reading: Developer Day 5 Never write for other people. Write for yourself, because you have a passion for it. -- Marc Clifton My website
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Marc Clifton wrote:
At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed.
May I plagiarize you at some point in the future? That's just too good a turn of phrase to not be used again :-D.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Marc Clifton wrote: At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. May I plagiarize you at some point in the future? That's just too good a turn of phrase to not be used again .
Sounds like a really good signature! :laugh:
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Not only do we all have real work to do with the technologies we have today, but on our doorstep is a mounting pile of new and potentially better technologies."
... which we all know will not actually be better or help us do our job more efficiently, especially since we're already spending far too much time working around the bugs and deficiencies in the existing technology. We have, after all, heard "more secure, faster, easier" once too much. At some point, the boy who cries wolf kills the wolf, skins it, and tries to pretend he's now the wolf. The sheep are not impressed. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithHow in the world can you expect perfection in a set of tools that are obsolete in a matter of 5 years or less? What is the point of spending huge resources to make a perfect tool that is destined for the garbage bin anyway? The premise is wrong anyway, there really are very few bugs or workarounds in most existing technology if you take a snapshot of right now. That by comparison to every other technology I've ever worked with. You are perpetuating a myth for what I can only imagine are your deeply held luddite beliefs. ;) Programming tools, programming techniques, programming knowledge are as disposable as a bic lighter. Anyone who doesn't get that through their thick skulls is in the wrong business or is in for a world of dissapointment. You can rail all you want about this situation but keep in mind it's not new and it will never change.
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