I HATE DVDs
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What's your recorder? and your favorite media?
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CD/DVD Media Quality Guide[^] I've used various brands of DVD burners with equal success, but I've never had one with lightscribe. One thing to note - if you play a game that uses StarForce for copy protection, there's a good possibility it will physically damage your burner. It happened to me.
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RoswellNX wrote:
have you tried DVD-RW? you just erase them and start over.
The problem here is reliability. I wish record DVDs to backup data, but even if I store two copies, still runs a serious risk to lose the information... I find more reliable buy a new hard drive just to backup. :doh: I think if blueray/hd-dvd will be more "rock solid" than DVDs...
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If you want a decent backup device, get a Iomega Rev drive. 80gb of backup on removable cartridges.
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Yeah it's just a bit too easy with my current air-rifle, when a friend came over last time we stacked 30 in a row and shot at them to see how far the pellet penetrated and it went through 14 and the cracks continued for another 7 CDs :eek: Mind you this air-rifle is good out to 70+ yards, furthest I've killed something with it was a crow at 100 yards which is a long way for an air-rifle.
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Yeah it's just a bit too easy with my current air-rifle, when a friend came over last time we stacked 30 in a row and shot at them to see how far the pellet penetrated and it went through 14 and the cracks continued for another 7 CDs :eek: Mind you this air-rifle is good out to 70+ yards, furthest I've killed something with it was a crow at 100 yards which is a long way for an air-rifle.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Mind you this air-rifle is good out to 70+ yards, furthest I've killed something with it was a crow at 100 yards which is a long way for an air-rifle.
Wow, that's not bad at all. I don't think either my slightly modified air rifle or the home made one are quite that powerful. Then again, I have 2 30-06 rifles and a 30-30, plenty enough for taking out miss behaving DVD / CDs.:rolleyes: Is your Air rifle something you made or did you buy if off the shelf?
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
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I have always had similar luck, reglardless of the brand of media or drive, until I too started burning at n-1 speeds. Since then I rarely get a damaged DVD (but oddly, the number of dead CDR's I burn has stayed at around the 20% mark).
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
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If you are getting this high a failure rate you either have a bad dvd burner or you are using a very low quality media. I have burned several hundred dvd+Rs with maybe a 2% failure rate. I use mostly Reitek and sometimes Verbatum media on LITE-ON and Samsung drives mostly at full 16X speed.
John
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Huh. The only time i've had trouble was when i ended up with a bad batch of discs. 3M discs seem pretty stable, so i've just gone with those ever since. But then, i always burn at 2x, so that might make a difference as well...
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Ed.Poore wrote:
Mind you this air-rifle is good out to 70+ yards, furthest I've killed something with it was a crow at 100 yards which is a long way for an air-rifle.
Wow, that's not bad at all. I don't think either my slightly modified air rifle or the home made one are quite that powerful. Then again, I have 2 30-06 rifles and a 30-30, plenty enough for taking out miss behaving DVD / CDs.:rolleyes: Is your Air rifle something you made or did you buy if off the shelf?
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for Cd's, i've been told to avoid Memorex, so i use Maxell CD-RWs...i'm assuming the same would still be true for DVDs Roswell
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City Mayor, Los Angeles, CASorry to hear that you're having such problems and I don't mean to gloat, but I seriously can't remember the last time I had a DVD coaster. I use bog standard blank media and I also use re-writeable DVDs (TDK) withouyt any problems whatsoever. My burner is from LG - Life's Good! I think with my previous burner the biggest issue was making sure I got the right type of DVD i.e. + or -, but my LG takes both sorts. If you are using DVDs only temporarily I would recommend buying a box of say 10 re-writebale's and just using those. Works for me. Cheers, Des F
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
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I have a collection of about 500 burned music DVDs ( copied from VHS of stuff that has not come out on DVD, or stuff like people taking a camera to a concert, or taping Headbangers Ball back in the 80s ). I recently bought a Creative Zen W, so I went back to rip stuff to watch on there. I kept a full backup set. I found a ton of DVDs that had failed, although only one that failed on both copies ( obviously, some that worked have probably died on the backup ). Luckily, Whitesnake seem to be about to release a lot of their promo clips on DVD, that being what I lost. And yes, if anything I have copied comes out for sale, I buy it.
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Using DataWrite DVD +R here on a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-106D - very rarely get errors.
'Howard
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Clickok wrote:
I'm tired of throw off DVD discs...
I do throw away some disks, but then I know the physical process. Most disks do not support overburning, but most drives do. This accounts for most of the coaster creation out there. Overburning is when you try to fill the 2% of media past the listed disk size. Don't do it, don't think about it, just don't do it. Second, watch your caches. Starving your disk accounts for another reasonable percentage of coaster creation processes with DVDs especially (because of the time it takes to burn them). You can burn the DVD at 8x but your cache might starve either from reading a fragmented source file, or from a slow drive, or slow memory, or slow CPU, or slow anything! If your cache starves, the disk is fragmented, which makes it unusable. There is a physical gap in the burn rings and that gap makes the disk unusable. A DVD must be burned in a continuous process. Some DVD drives offer better caches than others, knowing what you have, and the limitations of what it can do is your first line of defense. Cheap drives, or failed drives more to the point, are the last major reason for disk failures in burning. If you know what you are doing and know you are doing it right, it might actually be hardware. I am not saying waste your money on the most expensive drive, read your reviews, do your homework, KNOW what you are buying! NOTHING can protect your disk from the virus at the other end of the keyboard.
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Men, you must be the problem because I only toasted one DVD in the past 6 or 7 years and is was my fault. If you burn DVD of games you've downloaded via torrent site, it almost sure that you will toast dvds. Try mounting them with Daemon tools first and if they works, burn them... I had 3 dvd burners of 3 different brands and I should have tried almost 15 different brands of media and they are all good. Even bought 50 dvds for 12.99$ and they're still in usable...
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I backup on CD's or memory stick, somehow I trust these DVD's less than CD's, the bits are smaller, thus you'd think more prone to error. Flash memory is terribly cheap, and handles easily so why not use that as backup?
Wout
Flash memory is terribly cheap, and handles easily so why not use that as backup? It is cheap..er than years ago but have you ever tried to backup a 500GB hd full of movies and vids on flash memory!?? It'll cost you like 5000$. Backup is for safety an data retention and cd/dvd are good for 100 years. You'll be very lucky if your flash drive still works after 10 years. So backup on flash drive is, IMHO, a very stupid idea.
Jean-Michel Aubin Software Engineer Imaging division Matrox Electronics Ltee.
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
for lots of things: 1. Hang em from a string to keep birds out of the garden. 2. Throw em in the air to shoot at. 3. Coasters 4. Frisbees Add some of you own "Things to do with toasted DVDs" to this list.
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Flash memory is terribly cheap, and handles easily so why not use that as backup? It is cheap..er than years ago but have you ever tried to backup a 500GB hd full of movies and vids on flash memory!?? It'll cost you like 5000$. Backup is for safety an data retention and cd/dvd are good for 100 years. You'll be very lucky if your flash drive still works after 10 years. So backup on flash drive is, IMHO, a very stupid idea.
Jean-Michel Aubin Software Engineer Imaging division Matrox Electronics Ltee.
Depends on what your backing up and how often. I just do what makes sense for me. I try to make a backup of my source code once a week and my documents a bit less frequent. So that's just a few hundred MB's, and once I backup, all the previous backups can go. So for me flash memory works perfectly fine. Plus cd's don't last 100 years, especially not writable cd's. 5 years is a better estimate, if you keep them well. A backup of my source code 10 years from now is useless, the backup is only meant in crash situations, so ideally the backup is just a few days old.
Wout
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Depends on what your backing up and how often. I just do what makes sense for me. I try to make a backup of my source code once a week and my documents a bit less frequent. So that's just a few hundred MB's, and once I backup, all the previous backups can go. So for me flash memory works perfectly fine. Plus cd's don't last 100 years, especially not writable cd's. 5 years is a better estimate, if you keep them well. A backup of my source code 10 years from now is useless, the backup is only meant in crash situations, so ideally the backup is just a few days old.
Wout
I agree that it depends on what you're backing up. But instead of using a flash drive to backup my source code of my documents I'd rather use directory synchronization on my other HDD than to sync with a flash drive that I find a lot less reliable. I had 2 memory stick an both broke in less than 3 months. I do not agree with the 5 years duration of a writable cd because I still have readable cds that I made with my 2x burner while I had my 486 in 1994. They still works and it's been 13 years now. Data retention is supposed to be 100years with cds, not five. I know that in reality 100 years is a bit optimistic but if the cd is kept in a box and properly stored, it can last a lot more than 5 years.
Jean-Michel Aubin Software Engineer Imaging division Matrox Electronics Ltee.
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When recording CDs,an average of 5% of the media was toasted. But DVDs, I think that I discard 30% to 40%. I have tried change recorders, media, everything, but nothing works... Does someone knows if blueray/hd-dvd produce less headaches when recording? I'm tired of throw off DVD discs... :mad:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
A long time back, I had a shareware business - it's big niche was that 3.5" floppies didn't cost extra and our S&H was very low. Here's how it's relevant: Going through thousands of floppies each month, I watched with time as the number of failing diskettes increased (though the price per unit decreased). Bad gate jams, which never happened for years, started to become common enough that my home-made extraction tool was kept handy. Worst of all - diskettes that seemed to record well arrived unreadable ever more often. New drives didn't help. One of the problems seemed to be the source: more and more often, the supplier was China. With DVD starting to be cheaper than the case you store them in, the same path may yet be followed. SO long as quality is trumped by cheap . . . watch yourself! One tip - try cleaning your burner. If a bit of dust got on the laser, you've compromised its focus, which is a problem for both read and write.
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