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  • S Simon Walton

    "Look, I know when I've been cheated. My modem says it downloads at 56K/sec yet I never get over 5k/Sec...." The old argument :) Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024 Current Addiction : Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0

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    Alexandru Savescu
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    Your modem says 56Kb/sec = 56000 bits per second = 56000/8 = 7KB kilobytes) / sec. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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    • A Andreas Saurwein

      Well, a discussion with a friend left us with the following: 1 Kb = 1024 bytes, fine everyone knows that but 1 Mb = 1024*1000 or 1024*1024 ??? A search on the internet didnt help much, both numbers are used. Windows Explorer (under XP) uses 1024*1024. Which one do you favor? After all, Mega stands for 1000, Giga for 1000*1000 and so on. Or am I wrong about this? Vote against software patents in europe

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      Alexandru Savescu
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      I believe it goes like this: B - byte b - bit K or k when next to B means 1024 bytes (2^10) and when next to b means 1000 bits (10^3). M when next to B means 1024*1024 bytes (2^20) and when next to b means 10^6 bits. G when next to B means 2^30 bytes and when next to b means 10^9 bits respecitvely. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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      • A Andreas Saurwein

        SINCE MY KEYBOARD IS A BIT STICKY FROM THE COKE I HAVE NO CHOICE - I HAVE TO USE KB. HOW MUCH IS THAT NOW? ;P Vote against software patents in europe

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        Simon Walton
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        Sticky from coke is it? We believe you, Andreas... :) Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024 Current Addiction : Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0

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        • A Alexandru Savescu

          I believe it goes like this: B - byte b - bit K or k when next to B means 1024 bytes (2^10) and when next to b means 1000 bits (10^3). M when next to B means 1024*1024 bytes (2^20) and when next to b means 10^6 bits. G when next to B means 2^30 bytes and when next to b means 10^9 bits respecitvely. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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          Stephen Kellett
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          I'll buy that for a dollar, or in normal language, I concur. Stephen Kellett -- Memory Validator. Faster Leak Detection, Better Analysis. http://www.softwareverify.com http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk

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          • A Andreas Saurwein

            Well, a discussion with a friend left us with the following: 1 Kb = 1024 bytes, fine everyone knows that but 1 Mb = 1024*1000 or 1024*1024 ??? A search on the internet didnt help much, both numbers are used. Windows Explorer (under XP) uses 1024*1024. Which one do you favor? After all, Mega stands for 1000, Giga for 1000*1000 and so on. Or am I wrong about this? Vote against software patents in europe

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            Mauricio Ritter
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            Andreas Saurwein wrote: 1 Mb = 1024*1000 or 1024*1024 ??? 1024 x 1024 I think... Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank :beer: The alcohol is one of the greatest enemys of man, but a man who flee from his enemys is a coward. :beer:

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            • A Alexandru Savescu

              I believe it goes like this: B - byte b - bit K or k when next to B means 1024 bytes (2^10) and when next to b means 1000 bits (10^3). M when next to B means 1024*1024 bytes (2^20) and when next to b means 10^6 bits. G when next to B means 2^30 bytes and when next to b means 10^9 bits respecitvely. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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              ColinDavies
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              That is very well explained. :-) Now can you explain to the audience when we use superscript and subscript. eg Gb and mB :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

              Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

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              • A Alexandru Savescu

                Your modem says 56Kb/sec = 56000 bits per second = 56000/8 = 7KB kilobytes) / sec. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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                Ed Gadziemski
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                Actually, it's 56000/10 = 5.6KB per second. You forgot the start and stop bits for each byte.

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                  That is very well explained. :-) Now can you explain to the audience when we use superscript and subscript. eg Gb and mB :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                  Ed Gadziemski
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                  That's a small m there, so you must mean milliBytes.

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                  • A Andreas Saurwein

                    Well, a discussion with a friend left us with the following: 1 Kb = 1024 bytes, fine everyone knows that but 1 Mb = 1024*1000 or 1024*1024 ??? A search on the internet didnt help much, both numbers are used. Windows Explorer (under XP) uses 1024*1024. Which one do you favor? After all, Mega stands for 1000, Giga for 1000*1000 and so on. Or am I wrong about this? Vote against software patents in europe

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                    Sean Cundiff
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                    Computer Metrics: 1 KB = 2^10 1 MB = 2^20 1 GB = 2^30 1 TB = 2^40 and so on. (except for stinking hard drive manufacturers where 1 Mb = 1,000,000 bytes). -Sean ---- "I'm a breast man."

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      You're saying there are THREE definitions of a kilobyte ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002

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                      Jack Handy
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                      Christian Graus wrote: You're saying there are THREE definitions of a kilobyte ? No, KB is kilobyte and Kb is kilobit. I don't know what the small k is that he speaks of. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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                      • S Sean Cundiff

                        Computer Metrics: 1 KB = 2^10 1 MB = 2^20 1 GB = 2^30 1 TB = 2^40 and so on. (except for stinking hard drive manufacturers where 1 Mb = 1,000,000 bytes). -Sean ---- "I'm a breast man."

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                        Jonathan Tan
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                        Well...I thought that a small 'k' was used for 'kilo'? I'm not too sure of that part, though. And I know that capital M, G, and T are used for mega etc.

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                        • J Jack Handy

                          Christian Graus wrote: You're saying there are THREE definitions of a kilobyte ? No, KB is kilobyte and Kb is kilobit. I don't know what the small k is that he speaks of. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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                          peterchen
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                          small k is 1000, true K is 1024


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                          • S Sean Cundiff

                            Computer Metrics: 1 KB = 2^10 1 MB = 2^20 1 GB = 2^30 1 TB = 2^40 and so on. (except for stinking hard drive manufacturers where 1 Mb = 1,000,000 bytes). -Sean ---- "I'm a breast man."

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                            markkuk
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                            According to the official standard the binary prefixes should be distinguished from the decimal ones with an "i" in the middle: 1 MiB = 2^10 B, 1 MB = 10^6 B etc.

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                            • E Ed Gadziemski

                              Actually, it's 56000/10 = 5.6KB per second. You forgot the start and stop bits for each byte.

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                              James T Johnson
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                              Actually you're both wrong, if you live in the US. The FCC won't let modem's go over a certain rate, I think its 42000 or 46000 ;P James Simplicity Rules!

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                                Actually, it's 56000/10 = 5.6KB per second. You forgot the start and stop bits for each byte.

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                                Alexandru Savescu
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                                Yes, that's right, I forgot that for modems we have to extra bits. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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                                • J James T Johnson

                                  Actually you're both wrong, if you live in the US. The FCC won't let modem's go over a certain rate, I think its 42000 or 46000 ;P James Simplicity Rules!

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                                  Ed Gadziemski
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                                  A 25-year old Federal Communications Commission rule limits speeds to 53,000 bps by restricting the electrical power of modems used by Internet service providers to connect to the phone network.

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