Holy Water
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Christian Graus wrote:
Even this Wikipedia entry doesn't quite claim that.
From article:
According to the Roman Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the body and blood of Christ. The empirical appearances are not changed, but the reality is.
Christian Graus wrote:
but even Catholics don't literally believe that nowadays
I've seen otherwise...
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
I can't speak for everyone, I am saying that you're making a generalisation that is not the case in at least 95% of cases. I am not claiming it's 100% untrue, I am saying it's a rare belief, and so not one you can assume when you speak to someone, as you did above.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I can't speak for everyone, I am saying that you're making a generalisation that is not the case in at least 95% of cases. I am not claiming it's 100% untrue, I am saying it's a rare belief, and so not one you can assume when you speak to someone, as you did above.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
I can't speak for everyone, I am saying that you're making a generalisation that is not the case in at least 95% of cases.
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying this is not a belief of the Catholic church? Or that this belief morphed into something else? If so than many references need to be changed and someone needs to get the word out, as I ran into a several who explained their beliefs to me.
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't speak for everyone, I am saying that you're making a generalisation that is not the case in at least 95% of cases.
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying this is not a belief of the Catholic church? Or that this belief morphed into something else? If so than many references need to be changed and someone needs to get the word out, as I ran into a several who explained their beliefs to me.
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
The Catholic church used to believe that, no Protestant believes it ( which means, all other Christian churches ), and I thought that the Catholic church had also softened it's position on this. At a minimum, you need to say Catholic, not Christian, they are very different things.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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The Catholic church used to believe that, no Protestant believes it ( which means, all other Christian churches ), and I thought that the Catholic church had also softened it's position on this. At a minimum, you need to say Catholic, not Christian, they are very different things.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
no Protestant believes it ( which means, all other Christian churches )
Oh I am aware of their differences on this issue.
Christian Graus wrote:
At a minimum, you need to say Catholic, not Christian, they are very different things.
I didn't say either...
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
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well, that may be true by modern standards, but how different was his behaviour to those around him ? The age of consent in New York at the turn of the century was 12.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Christian Graus wrote:
age of consent in New York at the turn of the century was 12.
Amazing what can happen in just 7 years. :rolleyes:
:laugh::laugh:
Regards, Satips.:rose:
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Christian Graus wrote:
no Protestant believes it ( which means, all other Christian churches )
Oh I am aware of their differences on this issue.
Christian Graus wrote:
At a minimum, you need to say Catholic, not Christian, they are very different things.
I didn't say either...
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
You're right. Is Mike Catholic ? I didn't know.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Christian Graus wrote:
age of consent in New York at the turn of the century was 12.
Amazing what can happen in just 7 years. :rolleyes:
Oops....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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You're right. Is Mike Catholic ? I didn't know.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
Is Mike Catholic ?
Yes.
John Carson
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The Catholic church used to believe that, no Protestant believes it ( which means, all other Christian churches ), and I thought that the Catholic church had also softened it's position on this. At a minimum, you need to say Catholic, not Christian, they are very different things.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
The Catholic church used to believe that
and still does.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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yes, morality is definately a construct of society, that's my point. I'd still think it was wrong, but I'm a product of a society that causes me to think that. I also assume that his 9 yo wife was similar in terms of mental age to my 10 yo daughter, when the truth is she probably had adulthood thrust upon her far younger than kids do today. I read an interesting book by Neil Postman on the subject of the construct of childhood, and how it was unknown in the West as well, 1000 years ago. Childhood as a seperate stage of life, or something to be cherished, is a relatively new idea, and in many ways, it revolves around the idea of reading. If adult society is build on the ability to read and write to pass on and store information, one is not ready to take part until one has had time to learn how to do these things.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
Childhood as a seperate stage of life, or something to be cherished, is a relatively new idea, and in many ways, it revolves around the idea of reading. If adult society is build on the ability to read and write to pass on and store information, one is not ready to take part until one has had time to learn how to do these things.
So that's why I should start developing some issues with my mother. She taught me to read and write years before I attended school.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
nope, only amazement.
Why are you amazed? Assuming what HotAir came out of that site has any truth to it; do you not do something bigger? Do you not believe that you eat the flesh & drink the blood of Jesus (peace be upon him)? What is more is that in your belief you are devouring part of a God...
Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video) Surah Al-An'aam (Ayah 74-110)
A.A. wrote:
Why are you amazed?
with all due respect, it should be obvious.
A.A. wrote:
Do you not believe that you eat the flesh & drink the blood of Jesus (peace be upon him)?
yes, Roman Catholics in good standing. for a number of reasons, I do not.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The Catholic church used to believe that
and still does.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
OK - I do recall reading a book, about 10 years ago, that indicated some updating in the Catholic doctrine in other areas, perhaps there are progressive Catholics and 'traditional' Catholics ? Or perhaps I was just assuming levels of common sense that don't always exist 'in the field' :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )