Is God the best programmer?
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Dario Solera wrote:
There's no god.
Do you think this little planet we find ourselves on was the only one of 10 billion others to spawn life as complex as us all by it's little old self? No disrespect to you whatsoever, I just find it too big a coincidence that we even exist!
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But can He change His character? Or create a rock He can't lift? Or make a woman that a man can understand?
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Dario Solera wrote:
There's no god.
Do you think this little planet we find ourselves on was the only one of 10 billion others to spawn life as complex as us all by it's little old self? No disrespect to you whatsoever, I just find it too big a coincidence that we even exist!
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
evilnoodle wrote:
Do you think this little planet we find ourselves on was the only one of 10 billion others to spawn life as complex as us all by it's little old self?
How can you make this assertion? We haven't even confirmed whether or not there is life elsewhere in our solar system, let alone beyond that. At this point, the evidence appears to be that we are 1 of 8 planets in the universe to sustain life (Pluto, of course, being delegated to dwarf planet.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski This makes sense! Do you think that "the way things work" is by chance, that everything just came into existance through evolution. I do believe in evolution, but what's driving it? And not only the evolution of life, what about matter and elements and the ways they interact. Water, for instance is the only element that becomes less dense when in a solid state, and for this reason the polar ice caps of the North Pole stays afloat. The amount of water in the ice caps are enough to flood the entire planet if suddenly one day (as an example) they should melt. Let's assume water didnt have this property, where would we be? Maybe a race of super intelligent fish? Would we be having this very discussion on an underwater internet? Would we ever have evolved so far? You can't answer that btw, because ice floats. -- modified at 3:42 Monday 18th June, 2007
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evilnoodle wrote:
"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski
Aside from the previous excellent observation about this being a logical fallacy, who says an intelligent design exists? I look around and see an amazing universe, but not an intelligently designed one, or one that is even logical, which makes it all the more amazing and beautiful.
evilnoodle wrote:
polar ice caps of the South Pole
As a small FYI, you have your poles reversed. The south pole is a continent, Antartica. It doesn't float.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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evilnoodle wrote:
Do you think this little planet we find ourselves on was the only one of 10 billion others to spawn life as complex as us all by it's little old self?
How can you make this assertion? We haven't even confirmed whether or not there is life elsewhere in our solar system, let alone beyond that. At this point, the evidence appears to be that we are 1 of 8 planets in the universe to sustain life (Pluto, of course, being delegated to dwarf planet.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
How can you make this assertion?
By saying "with 10 billion others" I didn't imply that Earth is the only planet to spawn life. Honestly, I wouldn't know. I was merely using a large number (which may very well be justified) to prove my point. I'm well aware that the possibility of life out there exists and it's not for anyone to decide over the truth of that until we find some concrete evidence. I was however accentuating the complexity and variety of life on earth and the vast amount of factors aligned and crafted in such unlikely precision to support life and intellect in such incredible abundance.
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
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evilnoodle wrote:
"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski
Aside from the previous excellent observation about this being a logical fallacy, who says an intelligent design exists? I look around and see an amazing universe, but not an intelligently designed one, or one that is even logical, which makes it all the more amazing and beautiful.
evilnoodle wrote:
polar ice caps of the South Pole
As a small FYI, you have your poles reversed. The south pole is a continent, Antartica. It doesn't float.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
but not an intelligently designed one, or one that is even logical
It works beautifully as you stated, does the design need to be logical? I take it then, that according to you, everything is as it is due to huge coincidence?
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Antartica. It doesn't float.
Right you are!:-O
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
but not an intelligently designed one, or one that is even logical
It works beautifully as you stated, does the design need to be logical? I take it then, that according to you, everything is as it is due to huge coincidence?
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Antartica. It doesn't float.
Right you are!:-O
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
evilnoodle wrote:
everything is as it is due to huge coincidence?
Yes.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
How can you make this assertion?
By saying "with 10 billion others" I didn't imply that Earth is the only planet to spawn life. Honestly, I wouldn't know. I was merely using a large number (which may very well be justified) to prove my point. I'm well aware that the possibility of life out there exists and it's not for anyone to decide over the truth of that until we find some concrete evidence. I was however accentuating the complexity and variety of life on earth and the vast amount of factors aligned and crafted in such unlikely precision to support life and intellect in such incredible abundance.
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
It's still an entirely bogus assertion. We don't know how likely or unlikely it is. It may be that earth contains the only complex life in the entire universe because only here did everything come together. On the other hand, life could exist in great abundance elsewhere in the universe and we are a puny, and not so sophisticated, example of it. One thing that would provide some evidence of God would be if there was life elsewhere and it was very similar to, and highly compatible with, life here. The mere existence of human beings who could reproduce with earthlings would pretty much nail that box shut.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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It's still an entirely bogus assertion. We don't know how likely or unlikely it is. It may be that earth contains the only complex life in the entire universe because only here did everything come together. On the other hand, life could exist in great abundance elsewhere in the universe and we are a puny, and not so sophisticated, example of it. One thing that would provide some evidence of God would be if there was life elsewhere and it was very similar to, and highly compatible with, life here. The mere existence of human beings who could reproduce with earthlings would pretty much nail that box shut.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
One thing that would provide some evidence of God would be if there was life elsewhere and it was very similar to, and highly compatible with, life here.
What does compatibility with life on earth have to do with proving the existence of God? We agree on the fact that earth and the abundance of life on it MAY very well be a unique case in the entire universe. Since this cannot be proven wrong or right this debate is probably not going anywhere fast. Should we however find super-intelligent life tomorrow, or more probable, should super-intelligent life find us and make themselves known, chances are they too will have a point of view on the existence of God. I know this is an assumption on my part, but should that be the case, the fact that they have a view on the existence of God (positive or not) is evidence of some commonomity that may very well be the scientific prove of the existence of God. I do not need this substantiation though, my beliefs are steadfast but I do respect your point of view. Imagine knowing what is outside the universe, if it even has an outside!
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
One thing that would provide some evidence of God would be if there was life elsewhere and it was very similar to, and highly compatible with, life here.
What does compatibility with life on earth have to do with proving the existence of God? We agree on the fact that earth and the abundance of life on it MAY very well be a unique case in the entire universe. Since this cannot be proven wrong or right this debate is probably not going anywhere fast. Should we however find super-intelligent life tomorrow, or more probable, should super-intelligent life find us and make themselves known, chances are they too will have a point of view on the existence of God. I know this is an assumption on my part, but should that be the case, the fact that they have a view on the existence of God (positive or not) is evidence of some commonomity that may very well be the scientific prove of the existence of God. I do not need this substantiation though, my beliefs are steadfast but I do respect your point of view. Imagine knowing what is outside the universe, if it even has an outside!
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
evilnoodle wrote:
What does compatibility with life on earth have to do with proving the existence of God?
Because the odds of having life elsewhere that would have DNA, let alone sufficiently identical to life on this planet to reproduce, would be so unlikely as to provide some evidence of a common creator.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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evilnoodle wrote:
That is far from true. In my case anyway.
Glad to hear it.
evilnoodle wrote:
Being an atheist definitely doesn't qualify you as bad or evil.
I agree, just as being religious does not mean you are good or evil, but the problem is that a lot of people believe it is true. I am an athiest (obviously :-D) but would never hurt anyone, except in self defence of course, I don't steal or do anything else illegal. I just do not believe in god and to some that makes me a heratic/infidel who should be killed. This is why I think religion can be very dangerous, not for my own sake but for the sake of humanity. regards,
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
I am a Christian and we want everyone to be approached by the Wonderful gospel of Our Father in Heaven sometime in their life and just by doing that how can your statement of all religious people being prejudice be true? I know that there are some religious groups in the world that would think that, but they don't pray to my God. My God is THE God of Love. All you see around you was created in someway. There is just NO obvious or scientific explanation for everything around you just to one day BE there. For example, look at the Human body...it is the most incredible thing we know, the way it works is just no way of thinking it just "happened" one day... I am not saying this to convert you, I'm just telling you that our God lives and He loves you, no matter who you are. I believe that everyone that reads this would realize that everything you are, are not just a matter of chance. There is a greater plan for all of us!