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    Eytukan
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    How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


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      How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


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      VuNic wrote:

      How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?

      that depends a lot on what you want to do with the images. if you're going to reduce them to 800x600 (or whatever), you don't really need 10M pixels where the original images are going to be 3600x2700 pixels (roughly). you can get away with 6Mp (3000x2000, roughly).

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      what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one

      optical zoom - higher the better. digital zoom is just software resampling that you can do on your PC, so i don't even look at it. the ability to take MPGs is nice. i always want that. i use it at concerts to make recordings (no video, just the audio). image stabilization (to reduce the effects of hand-shake) is nice.

      VuNic wrote:

      Which brand impresses you most?

      i don't have a preference i like my Canon SD630. i liked my Sony P7. the Panasonic/Leica things look nice. -- modified at 13:57 Monday 18th June, 2007

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        How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


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        Dario Solera
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        The resolution has become quite an unimportant parameter. You should look for the quality of the sensor itself, the optics, the firmware, the... you've got the picture. Anyway, if you don't need to take professional pictures, anything around $300 should do fine. Canon is a good brand, in my opinion. BTW, I got a Fujifilm FinePix S9100, but I'm not very happy with it. The sensor is noisy, and there are a few problems with the menus. The software that ships with it is just plain crap, if you ask me.

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          How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


          Press: 1500 to 2,200 messages in just 6 days? How's that possible sir? **Dr.Brad :**Well,I just replied to everything Graus did and then argued with Negus for a bit.

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          FIRST OF ALL: I'm not an expert and I want a camera that just works, if it is fully automatic for me it is better. As some others have said: - Don't use the digital zoom, you can do the same later on your PC. - The bigger zoom you have, more possibilities you'll have. - The most important thing are the lenses: better lenses better pictures (lenses are the ones that allow the light to enter into the sensor, if your lenses don't allow enough light to go through them your pictures won't be as good as they should). - Image stabilizer is very important. - Small usually is more practical. - Camera speed: there are some cameras that are really slow... reloading the flash, between shots... - Easy menues. - separated keys (when you have a round button that you can press in several directions then you can fail going to where you want to). - big screen (it is just more comfortable). - ... I'm currently using the SONY DSC-T9 it is really small, slim and the optical zoom runs inside the camera body so you cannot harm it. It's "only" 6MP, but the Carl Zeiss lenses are great. Hope this helps... Regards.

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            VuNic wrote:

            How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?

            that depends a lot on what you want to do with the images. if you're going to reduce them to 800x600 (or whatever), you don't really need 10M pixels where the original images are going to be 3600x2700 pixels (roughly). you can get away with 6Mp (3000x2000, roughly).

            VuNic wrote:

            what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one

            optical zoom - higher the better. digital zoom is just software resampling that you can do on your PC, so i don't even look at it. the ability to take MPGs is nice. i always want that. i use it at concerts to make recordings (no video, just the audio). image stabilization (to reduce the effects of hand-shake) is nice.

            VuNic wrote:

            Which brand impresses you most?

            i don't have a preference i like my Canon SD630. i liked my Sony P7. the Panasonic/Leica things look nice. -- modified at 13:57 Monday 18th June, 2007

            image processing toolkits | batch image processing | blogging

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            Thanks for the remarks Chris, also what do you think about THIS ONE?[^]


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              Thanks for the remarks Chris, also what do you think about THIS ONE?[^]


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              Sony Memory Sticks are typically expensive compared to other media.

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                FIRST OF ALL: I'm not an expert and I want a camera that just works, if it is fully automatic for me it is better. As some others have said: - Don't use the digital zoom, you can do the same later on your PC. - The bigger zoom you have, more possibilities you'll have. - The most important thing are the lenses: better lenses better pictures (lenses are the ones that allow the light to enter into the sensor, if your lenses don't allow enough light to go through them your pictures won't be as good as they should). - Image stabilizer is very important. - Small usually is more practical. - Camera speed: there are some cameras that are really slow... reloading the flash, between shots... - Easy menues. - separated keys (when you have a round button that you can press in several directions then you can fail going to where you want to). - big screen (it is just more comfortable). - ... I'm currently using the SONY DSC-T9 it is really small, slim and the optical zoom runs inside the camera body so you cannot harm it. It's "only" 6MP, but the Carl Zeiss lenses are great. Hope this helps... Regards.

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                check my reply to Chris[^]


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                  The resolution has become quite an unimportant parameter. You should look for the quality of the sensor itself, the optics, the firmware, the... you've got the picture. Anyway, if you don't need to take professional pictures, anything around $300 should do fine. Canon is a good brand, in my opinion. BTW, I got a Fujifilm FinePix S9100, but I'm not very happy with it. The sensor is noisy, and there are a few problems with the menus. The software that ships with it is just plain crap, if you ask me.

                  If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                  Do you have an SLR ? I was looking at a FujiFilm model, the cost was reasonable.. but hmm.. let's push it down the list now.


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                    Thanks for the remarks Chris, also what do you think about THIS ONE?[^]


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                    that looks sweet.

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                      Sony Memory Sticks are typically expensive compared to other media.

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                      You can get a 1GB stick for 40$ in India, if I'm not wrong.:~


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                        You can get a 1GB stick for 40$ in India, if I'm not wrong.:~


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                        VuNic wrote:

                        You can get a 1GB stick for 40$ in India, if I'm not wrong.

                        How does that compare to a 1 GB SD card? 2 GB? 4 GB?

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                          How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


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                          VuNic wrote:

                          How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?

                          As others have said, there is more to look at when choosing a camera than megapixels. The problem is, that digital compacts have a very small sensor size, with a lot of pixels crammed on them (eg, 10mp), so the effect of this is that each pixel will receive less light for a given sensor size than one with fewer pizels on them (eg, 5mp). With each pixel receiving less light, the software algorithm has to work harder to interpret the actual light level of that pixel, and of those around it. This causes "noise" in lower light levels (think of a speckling effect, and is analogous to "grain" that used to be found in high iso films (used for low light). In my opinion, www.dpreview.com[^] is a great site if you want to read camera reviews, but at the end of the day, it depends on what you intend to do with the camera that will determine what is best for you? I.e. - do you want something that will fit in a pocket and you can take everywhere, or are you happier putting a camera bag over your shoulder (or attaching a pouch to your belt). Will you be mostly using it outdoors in good light, or will you need to be able to use it in low light, or with an external flash added? There are many of these variables, and often you don't find out the answers until after you have your camera! Also, most cameras perform adequately in most situations. It's only when you come to specialize in particular areas that you may find some more appropriate than others - e.g. If you particularly want to use a camera in low light (eg, gigs, or evening events), then you would want to find one that has a fast (ie, large aperture, e.g. F1.4 or F1.2) lens, and performs well at high ISO's (eg, 1600, 3200) without too much noise. You would probably find, though, that a camera that fits this spec wouldn't be so appropriate for other situations. It depends on what you intend to do with the final prints, also. I would expect the camera described above to be able to product quality prints at a size of up to A3, but if you are only going to print at 6"x4" (15cm x 10cm) most of the time, then pretty much any compact will do. If you mainly want something that will be easy to use and produce decent holiday snaps and is light and compact to carry, then things like start up time, delay

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                            check my reply to Chris[^]


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                            Very nice camera... I think that the Sony software is great, more over Vario Sonar or vario tessar lenses from Zeiss are great (you can find detailed information about that in the sony website). If you'll use all the fancy tools that imply being able to make manual pictures, you should know how to do it, for sure if you know how to do it a reflex like camera is the one to choose.

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                              VuNic wrote:

                              How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?

                              As others have said, there is more to look at when choosing a camera than megapixels. The problem is, that digital compacts have a very small sensor size, with a lot of pixels crammed on them (eg, 10mp), so the effect of this is that each pixel will receive less light for a given sensor size than one with fewer pizels on them (eg, 5mp). With each pixel receiving less light, the software algorithm has to work harder to interpret the actual light level of that pixel, and of those around it. This causes "noise" in lower light levels (think of a speckling effect, and is analogous to "grain" that used to be found in high iso films (used for low light). In my opinion, www.dpreview.com[^] is a great site if you want to read camera reviews, but at the end of the day, it depends on what you intend to do with the camera that will determine what is best for you? I.e. - do you want something that will fit in a pocket and you can take everywhere, or are you happier putting a camera bag over your shoulder (or attaching a pouch to your belt). Will you be mostly using it outdoors in good light, or will you need to be able to use it in low light, or with an external flash added? There are many of these variables, and often you don't find out the answers until after you have your camera! Also, most cameras perform adequately in most situations. It's only when you come to specialize in particular areas that you may find some more appropriate than others - e.g. If you particularly want to use a camera in low light (eg, gigs, or evening events), then you would want to find one that has a fast (ie, large aperture, e.g. F1.4 or F1.2) lens, and performs well at high ISO's (eg, 1600, 3200) without too much noise. You would probably find, though, that a camera that fits this spec wouldn't be so appropriate for other situations. It depends on what you intend to do with the final prints, also. I would expect the camera described above to be able to product quality prints at a size of up to A3, but if you are only going to print at 6"x4" (15cm x 10cm) most of the time, then pretty much any compact will do. If you mainly want something that will be easy to use and produce decent holiday snaps and is light and compact to carry, then things like start up time, delay

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                              Very useful one, also I've got a question. Is it a rule that no camera, whatever may be the cost, should never have BlueTooth connectivity? Why no camera has Bluetooth in it ? any specific reasons? :~


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                                Do you have an SLR ? I was looking at a FujiFilm model, the cost was reasonable.. but hmm.. let's push it down the list now.


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                                It's not a reflex.

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                                  Very useful one, also I've got a question. Is it a rule that no camera, whatever may be the cost, should never have BlueTooth connectivity? Why no camera has Bluetooth in it ? any specific reasons? :~


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                                  VuNic wrote:

                                  ? Why no camera has Bluetooth in it

                                  I can only suppose (I'm only guessing) that it may be something to do with the data transfer rate - how long would it take to transfer 4gb of photos over bluetooth? A decent usb2 card reader and a high speed card probably does it quicker. An alternative, though - the new Nikon (and I suspect Canon) SLR's have optional WIFI attachments that can send the picture to a waiting laptop (or even a waiting newsdesk). Perfect for getting your front page photo on the news-stand first!

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                                    VuNic wrote:

                                    You can get a 1GB stick for 40$ in India, if I'm not wrong.

                                    How does that compare to a 1 GB SD card? 2 GB? 4 GB?

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                                    Note sure Mike, I've to check it.


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                                      VuNic wrote:

                                      ? Why no camera has Bluetooth in it

                                      I can only suppose (I'm only guessing) that it may be something to do with the data transfer rate - how long would it take to transfer 4gb of photos over bluetooth? A decent usb2 card reader and a high speed card probably does it quicker. An alternative, though - the new Nikon (and I suspect Canon) SLR's have optional WIFI attachments that can send the picture to a waiting laptop (or even a waiting newsdesk). Perfect for getting your front page photo on the news-stand first!

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                                      Chris Buckett wrote:

                                      the new Nikon (and I suspect Canon) SLR's have optional WIFI attachments

                                      They cost a lot, though, around $2,000 (body only) if I recall correctly.

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                                        How important is the resolution (Megapix) of a camera?How much of it is needed to make decent picture?.. Ok, what are the significant features you must look into a camera before you buy one. like, Zoom, MP..ect., Which brand impresses you most?


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                                        In reply specifically to your link about the SONY camera. (These are my impressions only!) I tried out the precursor of that that camera and didn't like it. I found it was uncomfortable and awkward to hold and use. I also found that the zoom wouldn't focus well beyond about 80% [optically] zoomed, though this may have been fixed in this model. Instead I bought a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ3. It's been a very good camera, though a) it gets a little too noisy in low light for my taste [though still better than many cameras] b) the red-eye reduction works poorly, c) it sometimes doesn't use the flash when it should and d) it's bulky. This last item has annoyed me far more than I thought it would. Were I to buy a digital camera today, I would lean heavily toward the Pentax Optio W30 (or another compact waterproof model.) This would give me cameras for all occasions. Another great review site: http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html[^]

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                                          Very useful one, also I've got a question. Is it a rule that no camera, whatever may be the cost, should never have BlueTooth connectivity? Why no camera has Bluetooth in it ? any specific reasons? :~


                                          Press: 1500 to 2,200 messages in just 6 days? How's that possible sir? **Dr.Brad :**Well,I just replied to everything Graus did and then argued with Negus for a bit.

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                                          I think Chris is right about it being bandwidth related. BT doesn't have the bandwidth needed for highend gaming mice, and I'd assume a camera would have much higher requirements in that front.

                                          -- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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