Microsoft certification
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Hi guys, I was going to do MCAD, but since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now its better to do them. But the scheme changed a little bit now, i used to know it as first you do MCAD and then advance to MCSD. Now there's MCPD for web development, Mcpd for application development, is there one for both? MCTS in .net framework 2.0 MCTS in sql server 2005 I am a little confused, can any one help me? Thanks Luke
There is MCPD for windows, web and distributed applications
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Hi guys, I was going to do MCAD, but since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now its better to do them. But the scheme changed a little bit now, i used to know it as first you do MCAD and then advance to MCSD. Now there's MCPD for web development, Mcpd for application development, is there one for both? MCTS in .net framework 2.0 MCTS in sql server 2005 I am a little confused, can any one help me? Thanks Luke
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
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Hi guys, I was going to do MCAD, but since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now its better to do them. But the scheme changed a little bit now, i used to know it as first you do MCAD and then advance to MCSD. Now there's MCPD for web development, Mcpd for application development, is there one for both? MCTS in .net framework 2.0 MCTS in sql server 2005 I am a little confused, can any one help me? Thanks Luke
See this response in an earlier discussion on these certifications: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?mode=all&userid=157870&select=2084405&df=100&forumid=1159&fr=2863.5#xx2084405xx[^]
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
It's sometimes the case that experience + certification is worth more than experience alone. In other words, some employers (typically consultancies) insist on it. I don't have certification but I did have an interview in which I was asked why I wasn't certified. I didn't get the job. I suspect they would have been happier had I been certified.
Kevin
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
norm .net wrote:
they're not worth the paper there written on
they are only worth it to the company, if the company believes they are worth it. For instance, although a degree or an MS certification would not assist me in my job since most of it is R&D (how do get instruction on inventing things that have not been invented?). Still, if I had either, or both, the company would increase my salary appropriate to the level of "worth" they associate with the degree or certification. It is all a bit subjective and it could be a little or a lot, but you don't know until you do it and they decide subjectively what it means to them. Mostly it is PR worth. The lead programmer for yyy project has zzz certifications/degrees. It just looks good on paper. Sometimes they will even partner with me someone who's certifications or degrees looks better on paper to improve the comfort level of the contract granting office who hasn't a clue what any of it means.
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
I would actually argue that for any of the certifications, not just the MCPD certifications. I just got mine and the only reason I did is because the industry still tends to give more weight to individuals with those 4 little initials after their name than those that don't. It took me close to 14 years to decide to actually get my certs. Now that I have one, I still don't look at those initials (or my skills) any differently. The problem with the certifications is that there is such a huge amount of "preparation work" available (study halls, practice exams, etc.) that they become more about how much you can remember just before you take the exam rather than about how much you actually know. (Hence the reason I've never put much weight behind them.) Your scores are also not public knowledge either, only if you passed or failed an exam, which is both good and bad. I took mine "cold", having only looked at the prep sheets, provided on the Microsoft Training site for each exam, which only list the topic areas covered. I figured that if I couldn't pass them on my own merits after 14 years as a developer there was a problem.
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
I did saw it in eligibility criteria in one company
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
I would disagree. Certainly for ones that are only interested in passing the exam to lend credibility to themselves this may be true. However there are many pepole, myself included, who take the exams as a means of acquiring knowledge.
only two letters away from being an asset
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Where? cut the code and show them an app, jobs yours.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
That's always been my experience too. I've never been to an interview where there wasn't some form of technical evaluation.
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Hi guys, I was going to do MCAD, but since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now its better to do them. But the scheme changed a little bit now, i used to know it as first you do MCAD and then advance to MCSD. Now there's MCPD for web development, Mcpd for application development, is there one for both? MCTS in .net framework 2.0 MCTS in sql server 2005 I am a little confused, can any one help me? Thanks Luke
C0d3_P03t wrote:
since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now
.NET 3.0 is out. See this chart on my blog[^] which I copied from a presentation by Microsoft DPE Daniel Moth.
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Where? cut the code and show them an app, jobs yours.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
norm .net wrote:
Where?
At the company I work for.
norm .net wrote:
cut the code and show them an app, jobs yours.
Yes, that too is part of the interview process. It is the more important part, naturally. But the certification is required as we are a Microsoft Gold Partner. The cost savings that brings are worth the expenditure of ensuring that we certify our IT team.
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I would actually argue that for any of the certifications, not just the MCPD certifications. I just got mine and the only reason I did is because the industry still tends to give more weight to individuals with those 4 little initials after their name than those that don't. It took me close to 14 years to decide to actually get my certs. Now that I have one, I still don't look at those initials (or my skills) any differently. The problem with the certifications is that there is such a huge amount of "preparation work" available (study halls, practice exams, etc.) that they become more about how much you can remember just before you take the exam rather than about how much you actually know. (Hence the reason I've never put much weight behind them.) Your scores are also not public knowledge either, only if you passed or failed an exam, which is both good and bad. I took mine "cold", having only looked at the prep sheets, provided on the Microsoft Training site for each exam, which only list the topic areas covered. I figured that if I couldn't pass them on my own merits after 14 years as a developer there was a problem.
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Scott Dorman wrote:
Your scores are also not public knowledge either, only if you passed or failed an exam
Not always. I took various exams at various testing centres. Some had scores, others didn't. Where a score was shown the pass was mark was 700 and the maximum score was 1000. For example, the SQL Server 2000 and ASP.NET exams were simple pass/fail and I took them in London. The WinForms exam had a score and I took that in Edinburgh.
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Hi guys, I was going to do MCAD, but since net2.0 and now nearly 3.0 is out now its better to do them. But the scheme changed a little bit now, i used to know it as first you do MCAD and then advance to MCSD. Now there's MCPD for web development, Mcpd for application development, is there one for both? MCTS in .net framework 2.0 MCTS in sql server 2005 I am a little confused, can any one help me? Thanks Luke
I started my MCSD course recently in c# .net 2.0 here in Brisneyland As you sit the exams you do pick up a cert or two :) Bryce
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Scott Dorman wrote:
Your scores are also not public knowledge either, only if you passed or failed an exam
Not always. I took various exams at various testing centres. Some had scores, others didn't. Where a score was shown the pass was mark was 700 and the maximum score was 1000. For example, the SQL Server 2000 and ASP.NET exams were simple pass/fail and I took them in London. The WinForms exam had a score and I took that in Edinburgh.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Not always. I took various exams at various testing centres. Some had scores, others didn't. Where a score was shown the pass was mark was 700 and the maximum score was 1000.
Sorry...guess I wasn't clear. All of the exams had an actual score, with a 700 being the lowest to pass. What I was saying was that on the public transcript it only shows a pass/fail and not the actual score.
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
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Not at any place most programmers would want to work at though. Anyone who has ever had to hire a programmer or computer tech knows just how much certification blows. I *always* found the best candidates were the ones that were *not* certified.
"110%" - it's the new 70%
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I seriously wouldn't bother with these certifications they're not worth the paper there written on.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
Generally we rather draw up a test regarding specific problem that the candidate will be employed for. We don't even care if the person finished school. If he can do the job he is qualified enough. On the other hand, experience plays a large part in the decision. The more the experience, the shorter the learning curve.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Not always. I took various exams at various testing centres. Some had scores, others didn't. Where a score was shown the pass was mark was 700 and the maximum score was 1000.
Sorry...guess I wasn't clear. All of the exams had an actual score, with a 700 being the lowest to pass. What I was saying was that on the public transcript it only shows a pass/fail and not the actual score.
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What certification shows is a breadth of understanding - a good interviewer will be able to determine depth. More importantly, they show a commitment to your profession. Whilst an inexperienced developer can pass the exams, and not make a good programmer, they will most likely know more than an uncertified bluffer. As someone who has done a lot of recruitment, it certainly won't get you the job, but it will tell me you are serious about development as your profession (and thus make you more likely to get an interview). Plus, I think as a personal development exercise, studying for and passing MCP exams is highly beneficial, as it exposes you to areas where your work my not require you to go. My knowledge of encryption is almost totally based on my MCP study. So not mandatory, but highly recommended. Sparkie