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    keyboard warrior
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    if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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      if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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      Ed Poore
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      Neither, I'd prefer someone self-taught :rolleyes: At least they'd be more problem solving (once I'd established they were have decent).

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        Neither, I'd prefer someone self-taught :rolleyes: At least they'd be more problem solving (once I'd established they were have decent).

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        keyboard warrior
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        your sweeping generalizations help so much. :|

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          Neither, I'd prefer someone self-taught :rolleyes: At least they'd be more problem solving (once I'd established they were have decent).

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          lintybits
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          I'd agree. I'm a web application something or other with a degree in marketing

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            if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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            peterchen
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            jgasm wrote:

            I'm not asking if you would have them code something.

            eh! :rolleyes:

            jgasm wrote:

            all else being equal

            You didn't dig deep enough

            jgasm wrote:

            Bachelors in Web Development

            that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.


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              jgasm wrote:

              I'm not asking if you would have them code something.

              eh! :rolleyes:

              jgasm wrote:

              all else being equal

              You didn't dig deep enough

              jgasm wrote:

              Bachelors in Web Development

              that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.


              We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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              keyboard warrior
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              thanks ! :) this situation is purely hypothetical.

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                if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                Christian Graus
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                I would not care less, but then, I don't have a degree.

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                  jgasm wrote:

                  I'm not asking if you would have them code something.

                  eh! :rolleyes:

                  jgasm wrote:

                  all else being equal

                  You didn't dig deep enough

                  jgasm wrote:

                  Bachelors in Web Development

                  that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.


                  We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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                  DavidNohejl
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                  peterchen wrote:

                  jgasm wrote: Bachelors in Web Development that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge

                  And what knowledge would ya expect from "kicked out after 2 years" :)


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                    jgasm wrote:

                    I'm not asking if you would have them code something.

                    eh! :rolleyes:

                    jgasm wrote:

                    all else being equal

                    You didn't dig deep enough

                    jgasm wrote:

                    Bachelors in Web Development

                    that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.


                    We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
                    My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                    The Wizard of Doze
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                    peterchen wrote:

                    jgasm wrote:

                    all else being equal

                    You didn't dig deep enough

                    You are a hidden Zen master.

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                    • K keyboard warrior

                      if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                      Steve Echols
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                      Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.


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                      • Steve EcholsS Steve Echols

                        Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.


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                        keyboard warrior
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                        ha ha :-D

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                          if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                          TheGeneral69
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                          I would be more generic: Bachelor's in Excellence

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                            Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.


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                            Colin Angus Mackay
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                            That's what I was thinking. Is there enough in there for a whole degree course? (Mind you, I'm coming from the point of view of a Scottish 4-year degree. Other countries tend to do shorter degrees)


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                              I would be more generic: Bachelor's in Excellence

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                              keyboard warrior
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                              Bachelors in Pwning ;P

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                                if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                                standgale
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                                I'd be wondering if the B in Web Development was some kind of crap degree come up with by one of those lame universities or polytechs that seem to have a degree for everything and no one knows what anyone actually learns in that degree. I'd have to go by University reputation and maybe look at what was in the degree. Most courses I see that are to do with the web are to do with design and web pages, not web applications, so I wouldn't be sure what the degree actually taught. So I'd go with CS degree because at least I probably know what that means.:~

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                                  if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                                  Sean Cundiff
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                                  jgasm wrote:

                                  Bachelors in Web Development

                                  Sounds so, hmm -- like I just bought my degree from one of those shady online places. Or ITT Tech* * Warning credits will not transfer.

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                                    if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                                    Roger Wright
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                                    Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:

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                                      if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D

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                                      Brady Kelly
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                                      The former would pique my interest, if only to question the content of the degree course. Is there enough of an established body of knowledge concerning web development to adequately constitute a degree course?

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                                        Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:

                                        "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                        keyboard warrior
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                                        Roger Wright wrote:

                                        Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind

                                        im sure all the web developers in the world love being told how simple minded their work is.

                                        Roger Wright wrote:

                                        and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online

                                        not interested in design. interested in application development.

                                        Roger Wright wrote:

                                        Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer.

                                        not interested in design. interested in application development.

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                                          Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:

                                          "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                          Christian Graus
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                                          Roger Wright wrote:

                                          Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most.

                                          Are you assuming that web development == static HTML pages, or just trying to stir controversy ?

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