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jgasm wrote:
I'm not asking if you would have them code something.
eh! :rolleyes:
jgasm wrote:
all else being equal
You didn't dig deep enough
jgasm wrote:
Bachelors in Web Development
that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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I would not care less, but then, I don't have a degree.
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jgasm wrote:
I'm not asking if you would have them code something.
eh! :rolleyes:
jgasm wrote:
all else being equal
You didn't dig deep enough
jgasm wrote:
Bachelors in Web Development
that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
jgasm wrote: Bachelors in Web Development that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge
And what knowledge would ya expect from "kicked out after 2 years" :)
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jgasm wrote:
I'm not asking if you would have them code something.
eh! :rolleyes:
jgasm wrote:
all else being equal
You didn't dig deep enough
jgasm wrote:
Bachelors in Web Development
that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge, so you'll know faster what your "not even scratching the surface" hire is worth.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
jgasm wrote:
all else being equal
You didn't dig deep enough
You are a hidden Zen master.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
ha ha :-D
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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I would be more generic: Bachelor's in Excellence
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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That's what I was thinking. Is there enough in there for a whole degree course? (Mind you, I'm coming from the point of view of a Scottish 4-year degree. Other countries tend to do shorter degrees)
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I would be more generic: Bachelor's in Excellence
Bachelors in Pwning ;P
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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I'd be wondering if the B in Web Development was some kind of crap degree come up with by one of those lame universities or polytechs that seem to have a degree for everything and no one knows what anyone actually learns in that degree. I'd have to go by University reputation and maybe look at what was in the degree. Most courses I see that are to do with the web are to do with design and web pages, not web applications, so I wouldn't be sure what the degree actually taught. So I'd go with CS degree because at least I probably know what that means.:~
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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jgasm wrote:
Bachelors in Web Development
Sounds so, hmm -- like I just bought my degree from one of those shady online places. Or ITT Tech* * Warning credits will not transfer.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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The former would pique my interest, if only to question the content of the degree course. Is there enough of an established body of knowledge concerning web development to adequately constitute a degree course?
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Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind
im sure all the web developers in the world love being told how simple minded their work is.
Roger Wright wrote:
and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online
not interested in design. interested in application development.
Roger Wright wrote:
Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer.
not interested in design. interested in application development.
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Neither. Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most. On the other hand, BSCS is a degree that is far removed from application development. CS students are focused on computing theory, data structures, algorithm design and that ilk. If I was hiring for such a post, I'd be looking for a guy or gal with a keen interest, lots of self-study, and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online. Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer. She's building our company website in PowerPoint, for bogs sake, and the boss is snowed. I ain't saying a word...:sigh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind; maybe a certificate at most.
Are you assuming that web development == static HTML pages, or just trying to stir controversy ?
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Roger Wright wrote:
Nothing about web development is challenging enough to justify a degree of any kind
im sure all the web developers in the world love being told how simple minded their work is.
Roger Wright wrote:
and a portfolio of web designs I can peruse online
not interested in design. interested in application development.
Roger Wright wrote:
Or one could hire our Accounts Receivable lady who fancies herself a web designer.
not interested in design. interested in application development.
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I don't mean to imply that web development is trivial, but it's not the stuff degrees are made for. I wouldn't consider hiring someone with a degree in computer programming, either, and I believe that, in general, programming is far more challenging than most web app development. Both are primarily creative tasks, with less science than art required. Both are credentialed by performance and passion, not papers from a school.
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I don't mean to imply that web development is trivial, but it's not the stuff degrees are made for. I wouldn't consider hiring someone with a degree in computer programming, either, and I believe that, in general, programming is far more challenging than most web app development. Both are primarily creative tasks, with less science than art required. Both are credentialed by performance and passion, not papers from a school.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
Both are primarily creative tasks, with less science than art required. Both are credentialed by performance and passion, not papers from a school.
i would disagree and say that i would prefer a college graduate with a degree in anything because they will have more experience in organizational communication (esp. if they did more than just course work) a degree represents follow through and the ability to handle multi tasking while under stress with multiple deadlines
Roger Wright wrote:
but it's not the stuff degrees are made for
what are degrees made for?
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Steve Echols wrote:
Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development?
I've never heard of a Bachelors in Web Development (I too would think somethings fishy with that as well) but I do know that Bachelors in Computer Science exists as I have one :laugh: < shameless plug > * But I also have many years of "self-taught* experience as well along with *trial-and-error* learning :-D
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Roger Wright wrote:
Both are primarily creative tasks, with less science than art required. Both are credentialed by performance and passion, not papers from a school.
i would disagree and say that i would prefer a college graduate with a degree in anything because they will have more experience in organizational communication (esp. if they did more than just course work) a degree represents follow through and the ability to handle multi tasking while under stress with multiple deadlines
Roger Wright wrote:
but it's not the stuff degrees are made for
what are degrees made for?
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jgasm wrote:
because they will have more experience in organizational communication
I totally disagree. This is the single biggest deficiency of most colleges; personal work is emphasized much more than group projects. By graduation, a student will have worked in a group of two or three maybe a dozen times on relatively short projects. (The issue isn't learning how to get along or any of that touchy-feely crap, but how to get the job done when dealing with people of varied skills and personalities and at least one loser who screws up every project he touches.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
