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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Roger Wright wrote:
Both are primarily creative tasks, with less science than art required. Both are credentialed by performance and passion, not papers from a school.
i would disagree and say that i would prefer a college graduate with a degree in anything because they will have more experience in organizational communication (esp. if they did more than just course work) a degree represents follow through and the ability to handle multi tasking while under stress with multiple deadlines
Roger Wright wrote:
but it's not the stuff degrees are made for
what are degrees made for?
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jgasm wrote:
because they will have more experience in organizational communication
I totally disagree. This is the single biggest deficiency of most colleges; personal work is emphasized much more than group projects. By graduation, a student will have worked in a group of two or three maybe a dozen times on relatively short projects. (The issue isn't learning how to get along or any of that touchy-feely crap, but how to get the job done when dealing with people of varied skills and personalities and at least one loser who screws up every project he touches.)
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That's what I was thinking. Is there enough in there for a whole degree course? (Mind you, I'm coming from the point of view of a Scottish 4-year degree. Other countries tend to do shorter degrees)
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I reckon it would be coming close to 4 years of study these days. The downside is that by the end of the 4 years, you'd have to relearn half of it! In my mind it would be a mixture of a fine arts degree and a computer science. To be a proper web developer takes more cross discipline training than most other fields I've encountered. I can't believe I'm saying positive things about something I despise so much in the past! The world has gone topsy turvy! :) - Phil
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thanks ! :) this situation is purely hypothetical.
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jgasm wrote:
this situation is purely hypothetical.
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Neither, I'd prefer someone self-taught :rolleyes: At least they'd be more problem solving (once I'd established they were have decent).
Ed.Poore wrote:
someone self-taught At least they'd be more problem solving
Absolutely true.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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A school wouldn't have a hard time putting together a 2- or 3-year Bachelor's program in Web Development but I've yet to see one do it. So if someone has Bachelors in Web Dev on their CV, they'd better say which school it was at otherwise they're definitely making it up. You don't need a CompSci degree to be a good web developer but it can help alot, especially if you went to a more theoretical program where the emphasis was problem-solving as opposed to programming homework.
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Probably. I recently went back to college. Although i have been in the industry for years i felt i was at a bit of a disadvantage not having a degree, especially since i want to go into teaching. The degree course i am doing can lead to 5 different awards based on your choice of final year modules. Its probably quite sensible really as it allows you to specialize in the final year (Which most degrees do anyway) but the name of the award you get is a bit more relevant to what you actually studied. We don't have a BSc in Web Development but there is one for Internet and Multimedia. My final year is made up of mainly modules covering database development, application development, systems analysis and methodologies etc so i will get a BSc (hons) in Computing and Information Technology. others could be more Networking or classic CS based. Jon
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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A "Bachelors in Web Development" sounds like a degree you got out of a cereal box. A "Bachelors in Computer Science" sounds legitimate.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Neither degree fits your needs completely, yet both have what you need. I would take the candidate that has the most experience developing web applications. For those that think ITT Tech or other technical colleges are a joke you should take a class or two there. Now I didn't go there but they aren't a joke. I only specify that because a bachelors in Web Development is a legitimate degree. But it does not prepare someone to develop complex algorithms for applications. And, I don't care where you went to school for a BSCS they do not prepare you for real world work experiences, and I would wager most don't even give you an intro into web development. Either person will have to do a lot of self study to make them a decent web applications developer. Bottom line forget the degree crap, none are worth much for an applications developer. They are really only good if you have to justify their cost to a client. Hire the one with the most web application experience. If they are both new to web application development, thank them for their time and find someone else.
Darroll
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A "Bachelors in Web Development" sounds like a degree you got out of a cereal box. A "Bachelors in Computer Science" sounds legitimate.
Software Zen:
delete this;But a BS in CS won't give them a clue on how to write web applications. A web development degree is usually a BS in CIS with a concentration in web development. That individual will at least know the basics od developing for the web. Now this is with the caveat that neither had the forethought to learn web application design on their own. Speaking specifically of the degrees alone.
Darroll
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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I agree with Steve. A bachelor's in Web Development sounds very unusual. Normally your would see a BSCS or BSIT something more general. The person would then specify "Emphasis in web development". I think you should check the web for Bachelor's Degree designations in a search engine, here is the State of Louisiana's standards to get you started: http://asa.regents.state.la.us/PP/Attachments/I You can see most degrees are general, then there is a specialty or emphasis tract within the degree.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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If I were a hiring manager, and I just recieved my managment labatomy, I would not care about either terms. All I would care about is where they recieved thier degree. "Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda" sounds A LOT CHEAPER than "George Mason University".
MrPlankton
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Probably. I recently went back to college. Although i have been in the industry for years i felt i was at a bit of a disadvantage not having a degree, especially since i want to go into teaching. The degree course i am doing can lead to 5 different awards based on your choice of final year modules. Its probably quite sensible really as it allows you to specialize in the final year (Which most degrees do anyway) but the name of the award you get is a bit more relevant to what you actually studied. We don't have a BSc in Web Development but there is one for Internet and Multimedia. My final year is made up of mainly modules covering database development, application development, systems analysis and methodologies etc so i will get a BSc (hons) in Computing and Information Technology. others could be more Networking or classic CS based. Jon
You should have saved your money. A BS or MS in computer science is worthless enough, but any degree with a "Technology" at the end of it's name is even worse. Maybe a degree in accounting, or perhaps an investment in bonds.
MrPlankton
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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You should have saved your money. A BS or MS in computer science is worthless enough, but any degree with a "Technology" at the end of it's name is even worse. Maybe a degree in accounting, or perhaps an investment in bonds.
MrPlankton
If i was staying in the industry then i wouldn't have bothered (even though a degree helps if you want to move into management or the higher paying jobs) but a degree is the base requirement for teaching in the UK so i didn't have much choice. Jon
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Well, if tech schools start offering "web development" degrees before note-worthy universities do, then it will de-value the entire "profession". I think that certifications are much better than college degrees, personally. There just isn't a good "authority" that is offering credible certifications that are widely recognized. I mean, who are you more likely to hire to be a network engineer in a Microsoft shop, a BSEE or an MCSE?
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If I were a hiring manager, and I just recieved my managment labatomy, I would not care about either terms. All I would care about is where they recieved thier degree. "Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda" sounds A LOT CHEAPER than "George Mason University".
MrPlankton
MSU is a fine school.
Darroll
