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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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Neither degree fits your needs completely, yet both have what you need. I would take the candidate that has the most experience developing web applications. For those that think ITT Tech or other technical colleges are a joke you should take a class or two there. Now I didn't go there but they aren't a joke. I only specify that because a bachelors in Web Development is a legitimate degree. But it does not prepare someone to develop complex algorithms for applications. And, I don't care where you went to school for a BSCS they do not prepare you for real world work experiences, and I would wager most don't even give you an intro into web development. Either person will have to do a lot of self study to make them a decent web applications developer. Bottom line forget the degree crap, none are worth much for an applications developer. They are really only good if you have to justify their cost to a client. Hire the one with the most web application experience. If they are both new to web application development, thank them for their time and find someone else.
Darroll
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A "Bachelors in Web Development" sounds like a degree you got out of a cereal box. A "Bachelors in Computer Science" sounds legitimate.
Software Zen:
delete this;But a BS in CS won't give them a clue on how to write web applications. A web development degree is usually a BS in CIS with a concentration in web development. That individual will at least know the basics od developing for the web. Now this is with the caveat that neither had the forethought to learn web application design on their own. Speaking specifically of the degrees alone.
Darroll
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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I agree with Steve. A bachelor's in Web Development sounds very unusual. Normally your would see a BSCS or BSIT something more general. The person would then specify "Emphasis in web development". I think you should check the web for Bachelor's Degree designations in a search engine, here is the State of Louisiana's standards to get you started: http://asa.regents.state.la.us/PP/Attachments/I You can see most degrees are general, then there is a specialty or emphasis tract within the degree.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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If I were a hiring manager, and I just recieved my managment labatomy, I would not care about either terms. All I would care about is where they recieved thier degree. "Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda" sounds A LOT CHEAPER than "George Mason University".
MrPlankton
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Probably. I recently went back to college. Although i have been in the industry for years i felt i was at a bit of a disadvantage not having a degree, especially since i want to go into teaching. The degree course i am doing can lead to 5 different awards based on your choice of final year modules. Its probably quite sensible really as it allows you to specialize in the final year (Which most degrees do anyway) but the name of the award you get is a bit more relevant to what you actually studied. We don't have a BSc in Web Development but there is one for Internet and Multimedia. My final year is made up of mainly modules covering database development, application development, systems analysis and methodologies etc so i will get a BSc (hons) in Computing and Information Technology. others could be more Networking or classic CS based. Jon
You should have saved your money. A BS or MS in computer science is worthless enough, but any degree with a "Technology" at the end of it's name is even worse. Maybe a degree in accounting, or perhaps an investment in bonds.
MrPlankton
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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You should have saved your money. A BS or MS in computer science is worthless enough, but any degree with a "Technology" at the end of it's name is even worse. Maybe a degree in accounting, or perhaps an investment in bonds.
MrPlankton
If i was staying in the industry then i wouldn't have bothered (even though a degree helps if you want to move into management or the higher paying jobs) but a degree is the base requirement for teaching in the UK so i didn't have much choice. Jon
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Well, if tech schools start offering "web development" degrees before note-worthy universities do, then it will de-value the entire "profession". I think that certifications are much better than college degrees, personally. There just isn't a good "authority" that is offering credible certifications that are widely recognized. I mean, who are you more likely to hire to be a network engineer in a Microsoft shop, a BSEE or an MCSE?
Bart A. Edgerton www.ewebdev.net
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If I were a hiring manager, and I just recieved my managment labatomy, I would not care about either terms. All I would care about is where they recieved thier degree. "Maharaja Sayajirao University of Baroda" sounds A LOT CHEAPER than "George Mason University".
MrPlankton
MSU is a fine school.
Darroll
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
I've never seen a BS in web dev either. I'm currently going for a bachelors in IT and I think that is kind of strange. One in web dev; i'd raise an eyebrow to that. I have to agree with a previous poster that hiring someone self taught is usually a good thing, degree or not. Those who spend hours and hours self teaching themselves on complex technologies really care about what they do and are more prone to do quality work.
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jgasm wrote:
because they will have more experience in organizational communication
I totally disagree. This is the single biggest deficiency of most colleges; personal work is emphasized much more than group projects. By graduation, a student will have worked in a group of two or three maybe a dozen times on relatively short projects. (The issue isn't learning how to get along or any of that touchy-feely crap, but how to get the job done when dealing with people of varied skills and personalities and at least one loser who screws up every project he touches.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I have been an Adjunct Professor at a major university for the past 6 years, teaching a web development class for a business/MIS degree. The amount of information I could teach in a single semester, 3 credit class was not even close to enough for the kids to be good at anything related to Web Development. This is the minimum curriculum I would suggest for a BSWD: XHTML/CSS User Interface Design/Meeting User Needs OOP/C Language programming (as a basis to learn other languages from) JavaScript/Client-side scripting Graphics Design for the Web Color and Design Philosophy Typeography Technical Writing I Math through Calculus II General Business Practices Project Management Web-based business planning XML/XSLT ASP.NET Perl/SSI/CGI PHP/MySQL AJAX/REST Java Network Engineering I Linux/Unix System Administration Microsoft Server Administration Other Technologies: Ruby, Python, Etc. Then get them spend a year as an intern in a large programming environment (more than 20 programmers), then I'd call them a capable BSWD. Tell me which of these skills isn't necessary.. Oh, and explain to me again how Web Development doesn't rate a degree program?
Bart A. Edgerton www.ewebdev.net
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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achelors in WD is more front end/back end vs Bachelors of CS I would think would be back end/ Apps. So for a job titled "Web Application something or another" I'd look at the Computer Science grad. Though truly I think it would depend more on the individual and their personal experience. ~Nitui "interactive media design something or another"
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I agree with Steve. A bachelor's in Web Development sounds very unusual. Normally your would see a BSCS or BSIT something more general. The person would then specify "Emphasis in web development". I think you should check the web for Bachelor's Degree designations in a search engine, here is the State of Louisiana's standards to get you started: http://asa.regents.state.la.us/PP/Attachments/I You can see most degrees are general, then there is a specialty or emphasis tract within the degree.
MajorTom123 wrote:
You can see most degrees are general, then there is a specialty or emphasis tract within the degree.
good for them. im glad louisiana has degree tracks...
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That was my thought too - a degree in "web development" sounds like something dreamed up my a cheep community college offered next stor to the auto handyman tech program.- I doubt any such degree would come from a accredited university system.
pgorbas wrote:
I doubt any such degree would come from a accredited university system.
well they do.
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if you were hiring for a position title "web application something-or-another" would your interest be more piqued by a degree titled: Bachelors in Web Development or Bachelors in Computer Science I'm not asking if you would have them code something. I really just want to know which title sounds more "appealing" per se. In other words, all else being equal. :-D
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As a technology becomes more evolved so the student must be more specialized. Degree in Compjutet Science - what does that mean? If you wanted to write vector code from assembly I would go with BCS but if I wanted someone to write an AJAX site in 4 days I would go with BWD. Jeremy Went - No pithy quote
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Can you even get a Bachelors in Web Development? If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Steve Echols wrote:
If I saw that, I would think something's fishy.
I totally agree. When I was hiring, I looked carefully at the degrees and certifications someone claimed, and if something looked strange, I didn't give them as much consideration. I'd phrase it in more "academic" terms - something like "Bachelor of Arts in Web Development", depending on what the school actually offers.
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peterchen wrote:
jgasm wrote: Bachelors in Web Development that one. You can expect domain specific knowledge
And what knowledge would ya expect from "kicked out after 2 years" :)
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dnh wrote:
And what knowledge would ya expect from "kicked out after 2 years"
Laziness, and coping with life.
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