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  • C Chris Maunder

    Woman left to die on shop floor [^] SHOPPERS in a US convenience store stepped over a woman dying from stab wounds with one stopping only to take a picture on a mobile phone.

    cheers, Chris Maunder

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    Mike Gaskey
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    Chris Maunder wrote:

    Can someone explain this to me?

    the loss of the communal sense of being your brother's keeper.

    Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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      No :nausea: Doesn't the offence of "non-assistance to a person in danger" exist in the US?


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      Stan Shannon
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      K(arl) wrote:

      Doesn't the offence of "non-assistance to a person in danger" exist in the US?

      We don't need it. 99 times out of a hundred, assistance of some type would have been rendered. But those incidents would never make it past page three of the local paper precisely because they are so common. Only the uncommon story gets attention.

      Pardon Libby!

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        Rob Graham wrote:

        All involved were African American

        I don't get it, why is the ethnicity relevant? :confused:


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        Tim's partisan assertion that Kansas being predominately a conservative (Red/Republican) state explains the behavior becomes nonsense if the participants are African American, as they tend to vote Democratic/Left/Blue as a block. But then Tim blames conservatives for every evil there is.

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          The only reason this story is being blasted around the internet is precisely because it happened in some small, heartland, US community. That would not be so if it did not feed into the 'oh, look how fucked up the US is" mentality. But when someone points out that well, gee, everyone involved is black, so how about generlizing about that? It suddenly becomes taboo. It is one of those stories that reveals a lot about the nature of discourse in the modern world.

          Pardon Libby!

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          When I saw the story last night there was no mention of the names or colour of the people. I saw it on CNN online. Think and accuse me of whatever pleases you. I don't expect any rational behaviour on this message board.


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          • C Chris Maunder

            Woman left to die on shop floor [^] SHOPPERS in a US convenience store stepped over a woman dying from stab wounds with one stopping only to take a picture on a mobile phone.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Rob Graham
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            A couple of interesting observations: 1. searching for the title on your link results almost exclusively in Australian and Malay archipelago newspapers. The absence of US and European (paricularly the latter) seems surprising. 2. the byline to the aticle is "From correspondents in Wichita, Kansas". Now just how likely is it that an Australian News organization would have regular correspondents in an American backwater like Wichita? Seems a disingenuous way to say "some bloggers sent us this". Why not give the original writers credit? Something closer to an original source...[^] 3. Wichita's most recent claim to fame is that it is the home of the serial murderer known as BTK (Bind-Torture-Kill).

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              A couple of interesting observations: 1. searching for the title on your link results almost exclusively in Australian and Malay archipelago newspapers. The absence of US and European (paricularly the latter) seems surprising. 2. the byline to the aticle is "From correspondents in Wichita, Kansas". Now just how likely is it that an Australian News organization would have regular correspondents in an American backwater like Wichita? Seems a disingenuous way to say "some bloggers sent us this". Why not give the original writers credit? Something closer to an original source...[^] 3. Wichita's most recent claim to fame is that it is the home of the serial murderer known as BTK (Bind-Torture-Kill).

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              It was all over CNN online last night.


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                It was all over CNN online last night.


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                No surprise. CNN International (and sometimes CNN US) seems to share in the general delight at opportunities to highlight disappointing behavior in the US. That tendency earned it the nickname "Communist News Network" among some.

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                  A couple of interesting observations: 1. searching for the title on your link results almost exclusively in Australian and Malay archipelago newspapers. The absence of US and European (paricularly the latter) seems surprising. 2. the byline to the aticle is "From correspondents in Wichita, Kansas". Now just how likely is it that an Australian News organization would have regular correspondents in an American backwater like Wichita? Seems a disingenuous way to say "some bloggers sent us this". Why not give the original writers credit? Something closer to an original source...[^] 3. Wichita's most recent claim to fame is that it is the home of the serial murderer known as BTK (Bind-Torture-Kill).

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                  Rob Graham wrote:

                  A couple of interesting observations: 1. searching for the title on your link results almost exclusively in Australian and Malay archipelago newspapers. The absence of US and European (paricularly the latter) seems surprising. 2. the byline to the aticle is "From correspondents in Wichita, Kansas". Now just how likely is it that an Australian News organization would have regular correspondents in an American backwater like Wichita? Seems a disingenuous way to say "some bloggers sent us this". Why not give the original writers credit?

                  news.com.au is owned by Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News. It, or at least the newspaper outlets it represents, has been owned by Murdoch for over 40 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Limited[^]

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                    K(arl) wrote:

                    don't remember writing it was, so you should ask the people who seriously say so.

                    You're in the middle of a thread that started with it. Yet you did not seem to be motivated to respond similarly to that generalization.

                    Pardon Libby!

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                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    Yet you did not seem to be motivated to respond similarly to that generalization.

                    Because of the ":laugh:" that clearly indicated it was a joke. What I think about generalization: First, I disagree when individuals are reduced to be a subset of a community when the "community factor" is something you cannot choose, as the skin color or the native land (for instance "Americans are stupid"), . Next, I disagree when the generalization is IMO unfair: for instance "all god believers are fanatics" . However, when it is justified, I don't see the problem with generalizations, like for instance "conservative are all ugly selfish dwarfs responsible for everything bad in the World".


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                      K(arl) wrote:

                      Doesn't the offence of "non-assistance to a person in danger" exist in the US?

                      We don't need it. 99 times out of a hundred, assistance of some type would have been rendered. But those incidents would never make it past page three of the local paper precisely because they are so common. Only the uncommon story gets attention.

                      Pardon Libby!

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                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      But those incidents would never make it past page three of the local paper precisely because they are so common. Only the uncommon story gets attention.

                      So it's common people are stabbed to death? :omg::wtf:


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                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        But those incidents would never make it past page three of the local paper precisely because they are so common. Only the uncommon story gets attention.

                        So it's common people are stabbed to death? :omg::wtf:


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                        Assisting someone who needs assistance is common. :rolleyes:

                        Pardon Libby!

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                          When I saw the story last night there was no mention of the names or colour of the people. I saw it on CNN online. Think and accuse me of whatever pleases you. I don't expect any rational behaviour on this message board.


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                          I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just making a comment about the nature of the discourse. If this had not been something that could be used to promote a generally negative image of the American heartland, it would not have been so widely publicized. Color obviously was purposefully kept out of the story because, well, gee, that would just be so racist and all. But promoting a negative stereotype of Americans in general (meaning white folks) is perfectly acceptable. That is a throughly reasonable and rational observation.

                          Pardon Libby!

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                            No surprise. CNN International (and sometimes CNN US) seems to share in the general delight at opportunities to highlight disappointing behavior in the US. That tendency earned it the nickname "Communist News Network" among some.

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                            Rob Graham wrote:

                            No surprise. CNN International (and sometimes CNN US) seems to share in the general delight at opportunities to highlight disappointing behavior in the US. That tendency earned it the nickname "Communist News Network" among some.

                            Fox News is apparently in on the communist conspiracy. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287953,00.html[^]

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                              Rob Graham wrote:

                              A couple of interesting observations: 1. searching for the title on your link results almost exclusively in Australian and Malay archipelago newspapers. The absence of US and European (paricularly the latter) seems surprising. 2. the byline to the aticle is "From correspondents in Wichita, Kansas". Now just how likely is it that an Australian News organization would have regular correspondents in an American backwater like Wichita? Seems a disingenuous way to say "some bloggers sent us this". Why not give the original writers credit?

                              news.com.au is owned by Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News. It, or at least the newspaper outlets it represents, has been owned by Murdoch for over 40 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Limited[^]

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                              of Fox News

                              Nonetheless, Wichita is a small city of about 350,000 I would be surprised if Fox has any "correspondents" there either. The AP article credits Mark McCormick of the Wichita Eagle (which is not a Fox paper). Why not credit him? Seems like plagiarism of a small sort.

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                                fat_boy wrote:

                                I guess the issue here is that LaShanda was black.

                                I didn't then and still don't now give a fuck about her colour, my issue is with the stupid fucking name she has.

                                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                It is dumb. Some idiot people I knew called their kid Tyrrany. Can you believe it?

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                                  Back in the '80s, among the trailer trash crowd, the name 'Misty Dawn' was very popular. Every other girl baby you met was named 'Misty Dawn'. It drove me crazy. The African-American community is notorious for giving their kids fabricated names like LaShanda. I worked for a guy once who named his baby girl 'Kindling' (like the small bits of wood you burn to start a fire) because his wife and he had seen that name on the name tag of a waitress at some truck stop and liked it. Whatever happened to just naming kids after people in your family - or repsected public figures. That was a wonderful tradition. -- modified at 9:25 Wednesday 4th July, 2007

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                                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                                  Whatever happened to just naming kids after people in your family

                                  IMHO it's a bad idea, it puts an unnecessary pressure on the kid by always reminding him/her a model to emulate or exceed. A kid is not a monument, dammit! If somebody wants to perpetuate the memory of someone, let's make a stele instead of transforming a child as a living reminder.


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                                    Woman left to die on shop floor [^] SHOPPERS in a US convenience store stepped over a woman dying from stab wounds with one stopping only to take a picture on a mobile phone.

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                                    Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                    Sad isn't it? Some people go around killing their children and themselves, while others wonder in amazement but they do something like this. :sigh: Is Bassham a lispier version of Bassam? :)


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                                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                                      Whatever happened to just naming kids after people in your family

                                      IMHO it's a bad idea, it puts an unnecessary pressure on the kid by always reminding him/her a model to emulate or exceed. A kid is not a monument, dammit! If somebody wants to perpetuate the memory of someone, let's make a stele instead of transforming a child as a living reminder.


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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      I agree. I'm not big on weird names. However, as long as it rolls off the tongue easily, I'm okay with it.


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                                        And another perfect example of how those who fanatically defend the larger Islamic community againt the actions of a "few", miss no opportunity to use any isolated incident to categorize an entire population when it comes to the US. Fucking hypocrits.

                                        Pardon Libby!

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                                        I saw a bumper sticker in Texas that read "I don't have to like Bush to be a republican" ... I thought that was contradicting because most republicans think and act like Bush. If ancient republicans (like Lincoln) were Stallions the present generation of republicans are like mules. If not for all that inherited wealth there wouldn't be a republican party.

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                                          K(arl) wrote:

                                          why is the ethnicity relevant?

                                          Why is 'red state' relevant?

                                          Pardon Libby!

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                                          Because that is how these people usually act

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