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    Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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      Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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      Not sure if you noticed, but the canon also makes bigger pictures. :rolleyes:


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        Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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        VuNic wrote:

        Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness.

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          VuNic wrote:

          Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness.

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          Yeah thanks :).I'm just waiting for a friend of mine who is a photographer. I dare not go to the bazzar without an experienced buyer. Otherwise I'll end up buying one camera at a cost this guy could've bought two!. So I'm waiting , waiting but this idiot has gone somewhere to a party to take photos. This waiting this is just unbearable, particularly when it involves a gadget. Now I feel like I'm having active *hypnotiz* rings around my eyes after days of continuous looking at these Camera lenses & cameras online. damnit.


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            Not sure if you noticed, but the canon also makes bigger pictures. :rolleyes:


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            :^) You mean when I zoom in? LOL:-D. Not sure what you meant, but the Canon XTi when shoots pictures in RAW format takes up 10 MB per picture :-O. I think when you take more and more photos the camera would slip down with too much of Bytes weight added to it. :-D


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              Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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              Yes, I was quite puzzled you even considered the D40 - that's why I asked you why you aren't buying the 40X. And you are right, the D40X's real competitor is the EOS400D. I've also been doing a bit of research on these two models. The older non-AF lens incompatibility may not be that big of a deal. There are so many new AF lenses available these days. And people buying entry level SLRs rarely buy more than 1 or 2 addition lenses anyway. The one worrying bit about the Canon model that I read in the review is that for not-so-expert photographers, the EOD400D may be tougher to handle. I mean what I got from the reviews was that if you are in the Paul Watson mould, you can take better pictures with the EOS400D than with the 40X. But for newbies and relatively less experienced photographers, the 40X may give better pictures.

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                Yes, I was quite puzzled you even considered the D40 - that's why I asked you why you aren't buying the 40X. And you are right, the D40X's real competitor is the EOS400D. I've also been doing a bit of research on these two models. The older non-AF lens incompatibility may not be that big of a deal. There are so many new AF lenses available these days. And people buying entry level SLRs rarely buy more than 1 or 2 addition lenses anyway. The one worrying bit about the Canon model that I read in the review is that for not-so-expert photographers, the EOD400D may be tougher to handle. I mean what I got from the reviews was that if you are in the Paul Watson mould, you can take better pictures with the EOS400D than with the 40X. But for newbies and relatively less experienced photographers, the 40X may give better pictures.

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                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                I mean what I got from the reviews was that if you are in the Paul Watson mould, you can take better pictures with the EOS400D than with the 40X. But for newbies and relatively less experienced photographers, the 40X may give better pictures.

                Exactly the point people have mentioned at many reviews. When we handle the EOS with the right settings and aesthetics, it gives us the best picture. If we screw up a setting, it would make us loose a good photography day, and the D40x on the other hand is easy to handle and get a decent picture everytime. Also people insist on the feel, when you get the camera on the hand. I found it funny people saying "Take both the cameras on hand one by one,get a grip, close your eyes and FEEL it, in few seconds you will come to know if you belong to the Nikon family or the Canon Family"!!! :-D, Yeah that should be true because even when I was selecting my mobile this factor was an important thing to me.


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                  Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                  I mean what I got from the reviews was that if you are in the Paul Watson mould, you can take better pictures with the EOS400D than with the 40X. But for newbies and relatively less experienced photographers, the 40X may give better pictures.

                  Exactly the point people have mentioned at many reviews. When we handle the EOS with the right settings and aesthetics, it gives us the best picture. If we screw up a setting, it would make us loose a good photography day, and the D40x on the other hand is easy to handle and get a decent picture everytime. Also people insist on the feel, when you get the camera on the hand. I found it funny people saying "Take both the cameras on hand one by one,get a grip, close your eyes and FEEL it, in few seconds you will come to know if you belong to the Nikon family or the Canon Family"!!! :-D, Yeah that should be true because even when I was selecting my mobile this factor was an important thing to me.


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                  VuNic wrote:

                  Also people insist on the feel, when you get the camera on the hand. I found it funny people saying "Take both the cameras on hand one by one,get a grip, close your eyes and FEEL it, in few seconds you will come to know if you belong to the Nikon family or the Canon Family"!!! , Yeah that should be true because even when I was selecting my mobile this factor was an important thing to me.

                  Yes, I think it would be best if you could go to s store and actually play with the two models for a few minutes before you decide which one to get.

                  Regards, Nish


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                    :^) You mean when I zoom in? LOL:-D. Not sure what you meant, but the Canon XTi when shoots pictures in RAW format takes up 10 MB per picture :-O. I think when you take more and more photos the camera would slip down with too much of Bytes weight added to it. :-D


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                    I meant the two pics you posted for comparison... :sigh:


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                      Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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                      I went through this a while back and opted for the Canon. Very happy with it: takes stunning pictures and is a snap to use.

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                        I meant the two pics you posted for comparison... :sigh:


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                        oh!:laugh:I noticed that. lol!


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                          Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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                          If you are going to get a DLSR then do it properly. Get the EOS5D, with the 24-105 lens. You can't get a better camera for the price. It takes full-frame pictures, which means that you get the 'true' focal length of all of the lenses (i.e. the focal-length that they were designed for). So what that it costs $$$$$ - you get what you pay for. just my 2p


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                            If you are going to get a DLSR then do it properly. Get the EOS5D, with the 24-105 lens. You can't get a better camera for the price. It takes full-frame pictures, which means that you get the 'true' focal length of all of the lenses (i.e. the focal-length that they were designed for). So what that it costs $$$$$ - you get what you pay for. just my 2p


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                            The 5D is a great camera, but at 3x to 5x the price of the 400D, it would want to be! Buying a 5D isn't going to make you a better photographer than buying the 400D...

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                              Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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                              Hello, I had a similar quest some time ago, and I've choosed the EOS400D. It's a fantastic DSLR camera for non-professional photographers, and even a good backup-camera for professional with Canon SLR lenses. :-D

                              VuNic wrote:

                              When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented.

                              Canon is known for it's "cold" colors, which means you'll have to tweak a little bit with the White Balance to get a warmer palette, but this is easy to do. :-> My sugestion is for you to buy a "decent" lens as soon as possible, and you'll see much improvement in the photo's quality. Hope my exeperience helps! :-O

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                                Hehe I didn't buy the Nikon D40. I see it's quite at the low end of the entry level. I've been making wrong comparisions putting D40 & D40x to the fight. D40 doesn't belong to this category at all,it's fly-weight may be.I've decided to pour-in some more money on this and settle for a better one. Ok, let me introduce you the guy who's going to fight the D40x. (Many of you would've already known him already,though), it's the Cannon EOS 400D. You may also call him "Rebel XTi". Now it makes more sense , like Mike Tyson Vs Lenox Lewis :-D. I've done a lot of homeworks on this but the more work I do, the more it's becoming difficult to take the decision. Anyway looking at a zillion people's feedback I do find with Nikon D40/40x, A lot more people complaining about the **"The Lense Compatibilty"**for older lenses , and with Canon XTi, The Hand Grip problem. and quality wise both stand eye to eye. The noticible feature in Canon XTi is the "Automatic Dust Remover" for the sensor which is absent in Nikon. But Nikon has **"Spot metering"**feature which Canon misses.(yet to check how important is this feature). When you look at the pitures (Web samples), Nikons snaps taken with standard settings has more "reddish"ness. In Canon, it's suppressing the reddishness. It's more White-yellow-brown oriented. I took two straight-from-cam image samples from a DSLR review site, and compared them to the lowest level zoom. I found Nikon blurring the image a bit(may be to reduce the noise level), that results in loss of sharpness. I mean in the damn-zoomed in level. Canon was maintaining a good sharpness level. Samples: Canon XTi/400D[^] Nikon D40x[^] Notice Canon provides finer details of the hairs and the light reflection on the nose. So I'm little bit inclined towards Canon now. Anyway let's see. Also the feature camparisons : Canon Vs Nikon-I[

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                                I still stand by my assertion that the D40x isn't really worth the money compared to the D40. More megapixels does not a better camera make: the lens, viewfinder, lcd, control layout and menuing are all the same as the D40. Extend the budget a bit further and have a look at the D80.

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