Experience means your good?
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
Variety is definitely more valuable than longevity. I've worked with people who've been doing the same job, pretty badly, for 12 years and because of that they consider themselves experts who's opinions on programming should not even be questioned. It depends what areas of software development you're talking about as well. Debugging is all about lateral thinking, dogged enthusiasm and boundless energy, definitely a young man's game. Software architecture is about deep understanding of the technologies, knowing which way the wind is blowing, understanding the realities of long term developments and thinking ahead. For these things experience is vital and the more the better unless you happen to be a complete genius. I've been fortunate enough to work with at least one of those and I consider that my most valuable experience. I'm not great but I know what great looks like, what it feels like close up, what it can do. :cool:
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
Experience is a factor, but if one is stupid, the person has a lot of experience in doing it the wrong way. When somebody is very talented, and keeps learning along the way, experience really adds up. So like in anything to me it is the talent/smarts + the work somebody put in determines if somebody is good. Not either of those separately.
Wout
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
outside cosmic wrote:
if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer
Well perhaps it's better to view it as "if you have survived/prospered in IT for a number of years, it's a sign that you are a good developer" And, you know, if you do something for long enough, chances are you tend to get very good at it :-) But then just because you've been around the business for a number of years, doesn't mean that you're stuck in your ways either, surely it's a sign that such a developer is adaptable to changes in the business, I mean, they way we work now is totally different to when I started in terms of technology, languages and business processes. Experience does provide perspective, and the ability to recognise solutions to problems, drawing on relevant experience of past work. Personally I feel that now, I'm not solving problems which are any different to those we were solving when I started.
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
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Experience is a factor, but if one is stupid, the person has a lot of experience in doing it the wrong way. When somebody is very talented, and keeps learning along the way, experience really adds up. So like in anything to me it is the talent/smarts + the work somebody put in determines if somebody is good. Not either of those separately.
Wout
wout de zeeuw wrote:
the person has a lot of experience in doing it the wrong way
Now he can even do it (the wrong way) with his eyes closed. :laugh:
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outside cosmic wrote:
if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer
Well perhaps it's better to view it as "if you have survived/prospered in IT for a number of years, it's a sign that you are a good developer" And, you know, if you do something for long enough, chances are you tend to get very good at it :-) But then just because you've been around the business for a number of years, doesn't mean that you're stuck in your ways either, surely it's a sign that such a developer is adaptable to changes in the business, I mean, they way we work now is totally different to when I started in terms of technology, languages and business processes. Experience does provide perspective, and the ability to recognise solutions to problems, drawing on relevant experience of past work. Personally I feel that now, I'm not solving problems which are any different to those we were solving when I started.
- "I'm not lying, I'm just writing fiction with my mouth"
Phil HardingWell perhaps it's better to view it as "if you have survived/prospered in IT for a number of years, it's a sign that you are a good developer"
I respectfully disagree. There are so many not so good developers survive and even prosper in IT, maybe this is true for all professions.
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
An individual may only be as good as the philosophies that abide by the nurturing of experience acquired over time or Sh/Hhe could be a genius. Does your colleague believe that you should always hone skill sets to become a better ICT engineer? Does your colleague recommend new sources of info to read? Blogs or books etc?
--- Elle A Du Shell
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There are too many very experienced old pseudo-gurus out there that are deemed good by the fact that they have repeated the same mistakes more than other people. Experience is valuable for insights into solving unexpected problems quickly, such as all the little issues that arise in a project that aren't in textbooks, but experience can never beat knowledge or skill.
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
25-years of experience? That's a 1-year experience 24 years old. [a quote of a Danish management guru] Btw, I have 30+ years experience ;)
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Nothing is as persistent as a temporary solution (a lesson learned by experience)
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
Depends on how you are doing your job. If you're doing something wrong for several years that makes you an experience bad developer. I think a combination of experience and knowledge on how to do it right is the best you can have.
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
25 years of unplugging the shit in the toilet does not make one a better plumber. Marc
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wout de zeeuw wrote:
the person has a lot of experience in doing it the wrong way
Now he can even do it (the wrong way) with his eyes closed. :laugh:
At least one gets more proficient at executing! :-)
Wout
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25 years of unplugging the shit in the toilet does not make one a better plumber. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
25 years of unplugging the sh*t in the toilet does not make one a better plumber.
Maybe it just means you need to change your diet.
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
There are usually 3 types of programmers. 1. Experienced programmers that can handle any problem in their technology. 2. Experienced programmers that can handle any problem and are perfectly able to adapt with the changing technologies. 3. The hot-shot rookie, that thinks he knows it all. I would pick #2 95% of the time, and pick a #3 that shows signs that he has what it takes to become a #2 over time.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
25 years of unplugging the sh*t in the toilet does not make one a better plumber.
Maybe it just means you need to change your diet.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today. Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
Maybe it just means you need to change your diet.
Indeed. Or chop down the tree whose roots always get into the sceptic line. :) (Hmm, how far can we push this metaphor into total obfuscation?) Marc
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An individual may only be as good as the philosophies that abide by the nurturing of experience acquired over time or Sh/Hhe could be a genius. Does your colleague believe that you should always hone skill sets to become a better ICT engineer? Does your colleague recommend new sources of info to read? Blogs or books etc?
--- Elle A Du Shell
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Does your colleague believe that you should always hone skill sets to become a better ICT engineer? Does your colleague recommend new sources of info to read? Blogs or books etc?
I would say yes. But that does not mean that everybody does...
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
outside cosmic wrote:
or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years.
Your colleague needs to meet some of the IT people I have met over the years... Your colleague saying that leads me to believe that (s)he does not have enough experience! Others have already hit on the reality of this, so I will not comment any further. Peace!
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I have been having a disagreement with a senior colleague who is insisting that experience is everything in IT Development and if you have been working in IT for a number of years then it makes you a good developer... or in other words you can’t be a bad developer if you have been coding for many years. I just can't see how that makes any sense, is it just me? If you have been doing something for a long time it does not mean you are good at it?
Experience in doing things in the right way is good and to prove his experience.
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