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Unless you get kicked. :)
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Also regarding the 1 voters, it probably would be a good idea to see who voted for you. It would probably put an end to the 1 voters doing it all around the forums just for fun. High ranks that grant you permissions should be much harder to get, ensuring you've not got retards with rights. There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality". X|
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Mircea Grelus wrote:
There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality".
It doesn't mean that he's got one though.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
I don't see anyone abusing the existing classification system. Besides, I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
There's a spitload of them available; let's limit this to Gold and above.
Chris Maunder wrote:
"Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
This should be a power limited to very few as I think it will be heavily abused. Perhaps a better method would involve tracking the percentage of posts tagged as spam/abuse, and raising a flag to moderators when a member scores above a reasonable level. Then limit the banishing power to moderators only.
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Roger Wright wrote:
I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon
Soon??? Soon??? Mate, you 'are' the grucky stuff behind the fridge! :-D
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
I'd be pleased to pay a little fee (say 15/20 Euros) for membership, but I think most users wouldn't...
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Chris Maunder wrote:
- Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
I don't like this mainly because there are some members here who have invested a ton of quality time here. The message count is always a fun topic when someone brings up CG's messages in the lounge for example. It's just friggin amazing.
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I think this is a great idea but it should be reset every day. Banning shouldn't be permanent. What I think would be really great is if you do get banned for the day any messages you posted that day don't count towards your message count at all. Getting banned results in an automatic subtraction of 10 messages from your total message count in your profile.
Chris Maunder wrote:
2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
If the "Kick" button does it's job you shouldn't really need to make any changes here. The current status system seems to be adequate.
code-frog wrote:
I think this is a great idea but it should be reset every day. Banning shouldn't be permanent.
I agree completely. Think of it like penalties in hockey - a brief cool-off period for "unsportsmanlike conduct". Perhaps each ban could be twice the length of the previous one, starting at a simple one hour "timeout". The tenth ban would therefore mean 3 weeks in the penalty box. If you haven't figured it out after being banned 10 times, then the 11th, 12th + 13th should pretty much see you out for good!
code-frog wrote:
What I think would be really great is if you do get banned for the day any messages you posted that day don't count towards your message count at all. Getting banned results in an automatic subtraction of 10 messages from your total message count in your profile.
I'm not sure this is a great idea. There's something a little "1984" about messing with the post count like that...
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages
Sounds like a DOS attack on Chris in the making! Man, he could find himself doing little else around the place than playing appeals judge.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
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Daniel Turini wrote:
Bye, bye, John Simmons...
I've learned to understand him. He's a legend in my opinion. :-D
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Chris Maunder wrote:
The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around
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Roger Wright wrote:
I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon
Soon??? Soon??? Mate, you 'are' the grucky stuff behind the fridge! :-D
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
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Chris Maunder wrote:
- I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam
A good idea.
Chris Maunder wrote:
- Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Good idea (although I think Gold would be better). The only way this will work, though, is if poorly rated articles don't count towards the ranking (not sure if they do or not). Otherwise we'll see an influx of crap articles just to increase ratings.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day
A good idea.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
Unnecessary if the other things are put in place. Cheers, Drew.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages
Sounds like a DOS attack on Chris in the making! Man, he could find himself doing little else around the place than playing appeals judge.
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Instead of just a "kick" button, I think you should have a jailhouse type of area with suspension of posting ability. After multiple offenses, they're kicked off the site for good. Also, rename the lounge to "Off Topic Lounge" to maybe cut down on posts going to the wrong place. I also think the idea of ranking based on posts and articles is a good idea. Some people enjoy helping others in the forums but don't write articles. Others write articles but don't post.
Bert delaVega wrote:
should have a jailhouse type of area
Yeah! :-D For six months all of the offender's posts will be redirected to the blog site of He Who Shall Remain UnnamedTM.:rolleyes: (The oldtimers long-time members know Who I'm talking about...)
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I would sat this is a good idea, but you will need to have some safeguard so it not abused, which I think it could be.
Chris Maunder wrote:
2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
I would say to leave the current method pretty much in place, but maybe drop the membership level one level if someone hasn't posted a message over a very long time frame, such as one year. Then, if they post a message, they can bring the membership back up the level it was at. This would trim out alot of those Gold members with only 3 or 4 messages posted, who have posted a message in 2 or 3 years.
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button.
I know this is a tempting thought... perhaps a "hold 24hours for review". Two issues I see, deleted posts disappear, you have no idea what happened or who did it. If the user is kicked permanently, sure you could re-enable, but what exactly happened? You might want to set up a side email account for receiving messages, then have the "hold for review" or "kick" button simply place a 8-12-24hour hold on their account, and copy the message that generated the kick to your new email. You can then review if it were warrented and make the kick permanent or remove the hold from the account.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The ones who have interesting stories
Well.... There was a lady from nantucket.... ooops, sorry, wrong forum. oops there goes my score... :((
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Chris Maunder wrote:
The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around
I could use a camera! :-D
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
You can do that after you have replaced the Silver/Gold ranking based on participation. But as people pointed out, the univoters will try to vote people down in the programming forums and this would result in many of the active members to get a low ranking. You should probably try to look at changing the voting in the programming forums to just one status like Question answered, this way you get a list of people who are actively participating and giving correct answers.
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
As of now, you could give that option to the platinum members and/or a few select active members.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
For the kicking out of the lounge, I think yes, only gold and above members. But have it so you need a certain number of points before the person gets kicked out. For example, you need 20 points to get kicked out. A platinum member gets 10 points towards the 20, and gold 10 towards the 20. That way if the true higher up members think the person should go, it will happen quicker. I don't know about the limited number of messages a day. What if a person wants to answer a lot of questions in the programming forums? What if it is a heated discussion in the SB? I like the idea of a small fee. That will really weed out fake accounts, trolls, etc. Maybe the price can be based on your status (once platinum no fee). I think there should be a board only accessible to gold and higher members to discuss openly who needs a kick in the a**. People who abuse get kicked out for a certain number of days. If you get suspended three times you are booted permanently.
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
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