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Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster.
I like this idea. No more Gold because you've posted once and remembered your password three years later.
Chris Maunder wrote:
If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status
The problem with that is that in the current climate a lot of excellent posts in the programming forum are being shot down by the univoter. I've been shot down, Vikram's been shot down, Pete's been shot down - all for no valid reason. I would prefer a voting system that is based on "Click if this answer was useful" style of thing. That way people cannot vote down indiscriminately.
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Yea, the univoting is causing a lot of tension around here. I think a little bit of tracking on accounts that vote nothing but ones would be good. Then disable that account and IP for a few days.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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There have been a lot of comments to Chris' changes and suggestions. I'm creating this post to try and summarize them (more for my benefit, but I think it will help see the general feelings towards each of the changes.
- I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam
There really weren't (m)any comments to this one, so I'm guessing that no one has any problems with it.
- Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
It seems that the general consensus is that this should be changed to Gold members and above. There is a concern that poorly rated articles will count towards the ranking. [I'm not sure this should actually matter. With the other changes in place for the voting and the ranking, I think this would work itself out.]
- Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day
Again, there didn't seem to be much on this one. There did seem to be some confusion that this was capping the number of posts per day, but as far as I can tell, it is only limiting the number of votes per day. The IP address is already restricted to 1 vote per article, and this would add a x votes per minute and y votes per day from the same IP address.
- Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
This one didn't seem to go over very well. The general feeling was that this change wouldn't really have any value, particularly with the other changes in place.
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members.
Just how abused would this be?This one generated a lot of feedback, with a lot of different options. 1. Treat it as a vote, and with enough votes the person is banned/removed from the site. The general feeling with this is that the person kicked should be placed on a temporary ban that is reset after a specified period of time. The length of each ban is additive, and the more times a person is banned the longer the ban lasts. After a certain number of bans, they are removed from the site. The ban would prevent them from posting articles or posts for the duration of the ban. 2. Instead of banning/removing the person from the site, hide their posts from everyone else logged in. With the posts hidden, there would be no replies (or at least no new replies). 3. Having a "up vote/down vote". Not much detail on this one, but I thi
Good summary
Scott Dorman wrote:
2. Find a way to limit the number of fake accounts being created. Perhaps one account creation per ip address or a small non-refundable membership fee (possibly yearly or just an initial fee).
The problem with this is multiple people signing up from one office, the outbound IP address is likely to be the same for everyone in the office, thus denying some people the ability to sign up.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o, Dependency Injection with Spring ... "I wouldn't say boo to a goose. I'm not a coward, I just realise that it would be largely pointless." My website
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Ahhhh, another devoted follower. :)
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Good summary
Scott Dorman wrote:
2. Find a way to limit the number of fake accounts being created. Perhaps one account creation per ip address or a small non-refundable membership fee (possibly yearly or just an initial fee).
The problem with this is multiple people signing up from one office, the outbound IP address is likely to be the same for everyone in the office, thus denying some people the ability to sign up.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o, Dependency Injection with Spring ... "I wouldn't say boo to a goose. I'm not a coward, I just realise that it would be largely pointless." My website
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Good summary
Thanks.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The problem with this is multiple people signing up from one office, the outbound IP address is likely to be the same for everyone in the office, thus denying some people the ability to sign up.
Good point. I had actually forgotten about that possibility. There still should be some way to limit the amount of fake accounts being created. Perhaps some sort of validation process or something. (I actually don't even remember what CPs process is anymore, it was a long time ago (but in a galaxy very, very close) that I signed up.)
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Paul Conrad wrote:
the SB is a the "glove-are-off" area
And it should be, some people like to really voice(type) their opinions. Someone shouldn't get kick out of the SB unless they are harassing or threating others.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Someone shouldn't get kick out of the SB unless they are harassing or threating others.
exactly, and just summon Chuck Norris when that happens :-D
"Any sort of work in VB6 is bound to provide several WTF moments." - Christian Graus
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
With all of these enhancements and silo-ing of scores, will their be an increase in the quality of those posting prizes? The voting restrictions will really hurt: I had lived in Chicago for a while, and we all knew right from wrong on election day: Vote Early! Vote Often! Caution: this button is active:
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I think it will still give you fixture if you go over 5,000 posts.
"Any sort of work in VB6 is bound to provide several WTF moments." - Christian Graus
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I think it will still give you fixture if you go over 5,000 posts.
"Any sort of work in VB6 is bound to provide several WTF moments." - Christian Graus
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
For some reason, ever since I've reached 4,900 posts, I've been holding back.
Come on, man. You're almost there :-D Just post a couple of good math forum posts :) I have 887 ( not sure if it happens at 5,000 or 5,001 ) to go after this post.
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Roger Wright wrote:
(The oldtimers long-time members know Who I'm talking about...)
So many possibilities but I'm guessing you mean good old Bill S.?
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
Bingo!:-D
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I'm relying on it :laugh::laugh:
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:laugh::laugh::laugh: Maybe I'd better rethink that trip to Phoenix...:suss:
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I provide a valuable service to CP (and you might find that Chris agrees). :)
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I know you do, Comic Relief! I look forward to it every day. :-D
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2006, 2007What's really funny is all the people that vote my messages a 1. In all actuality, I'm still ahead of the game because I'm exploiting the rather obvious CP flaw of not allowing anyone to vote 0. SO NEENER NEENER DOOTIE PANTS ON THEM. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Maybe a weekly vote on those who are abusing. If they are deemed as problems, misfits or just plain obnoxious they are given an increasing severity warning and 3 strikes and your out for a period of time (time-out) or or just outta here. Just a thought, Mike
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I would be the end to string and a couple of others.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
No matter what you do people will winge. My attitude towards the lounge is - it is what it is and we can take it or leave it. It pretty easy to ignore people -- modified at 19:01 Wednesday 18th July, 2007 Why not just do away with post counts, voting, gold / silver stuff and let people build their reputations on their actions?
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I agree with that. Vista - A distant view or prospect. It is MS attempt to be a global evil.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Vista - A distant view or prospect.
Yes, which describes our thoughts at work when the subject of rolling out Vista is brought up... :-> Flynn
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster.
I like this idea. No more Gold because you've posted once and remembered your password three years later.
Chris Maunder wrote:
If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status
The problem with that is that in the current climate a lot of excellent posts in the programming forum are being shot down by the univoter. I've been shot down, Vikram's been shot down, Pete's been shot down - all for no valid reason. I would prefer a voting system that is based on "Click if this answer was useful" style of thing. That way people cannot vote down indiscriminately.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o, Dependency Injection with Spring ... "I wouldn't say boo to a goose. I'm not a coward, I just realise that it would be largely pointless." My website
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
No more Gold because you've posted once and remembered your password three years later.
Darn! There goes my gold, heh. :) Flynn
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With all of these enhancements and silo-ing of scores, will their be an increase in the quality of those posting prizes? The voting restrictions will really hurt: I had lived in Chicago for a while, and we all knew right from wrong on election day: Vote Early! Vote Often! Caution: this button is active:
_________________________ | . . . . . . . . . . . |\ | . . . . . . . . . . . | | | . EXTERMINATE ALL . . | | | . NON-GOLD POSTERS. . | | | . . . . . . . . . . . | | _________________________ | \________________________\|Touchstone, How else shall we bond?Heyyyyyyyyyyyy the button didn't work!! D.
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