A classless society
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I believe this rant is better suited in the soapbox section. N'est ce-pas?
All your base are belong to me.
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I suggest that everyone in the Atlanta region be put on a tier higher than the rest of the CPians. We deserve it for sure! :-D
Regards, Nish
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Wow the Resident CodeProject Capitalist just turned into a Communist.:omg:
Regards Rama Krishna.:rose: I know the CPians are making fun. Let them Enjoy by voting One. - Satips
And not a very good communist at that. Light reading that induced a mighty yawn.
All your base are belong to me.
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I suggest that everyone in the Atlanta region be put on a tier higher than the rest of the CPians. We deserve it for sure! :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkSolidarity, brother! :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Wow! For a new member to understand and appreciate this post, you are either super intelligent or Kyle.
Regards Rama Krishna.:rose: I know the CPians are making fun. Let them Enjoy by voting One. - Satips
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Wow! For a new member to understand and appreciate this post, you are either super intelligent or Kyle.
Regards Rama Krishna.:rose: I know the CPians are making fun. Let them Enjoy by voting One. - Satips
Bustedddd
All your base are belong to me.
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
You get my 1 vote, and a :rose: to boost my message count! ;) Just kidding!
Christopher Duncan wrote:
After all, the journey is the reward
Word! Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ "Great job team! Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails."
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society.
I for one do not want to be in the same classless class as those who shall not be named. The point of a class system is to recognize that there are people different from others. What you suggest is a homogenous melting pot that denies the inequality inherent in all human beings and that, for better or worse, makes life interesting. The problem is not the class system, but the value people assign to different classes. I think it's important to recognize differences between people and to classify those differences, but we naturally tend to place value on those classes that we create around us. So in the end, a classless society denies our differences as a group and a classfull society creates a twisted value system that results in absurd behavior (manifested in its extreme by war). Marc
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Many societies experience revolution from time to time, and a frequent flier in coffee house conversations where the really cool dissidents hang out is the concept of a classless society. The reasoning goes that if you remove all trappings of status, then all people are equal, and Equality == Good. It's a nice, idealistic little thought, and the people who run the popular espresso hangouts are all for it. Well, at least for the discussion of it, by paying customers. We'll talk about capitalism another day. Folks are pretty bent out of shape lately about the behavior of drive by 1 voters, people who contribute gibberish articles or posts to bump their message count, and many other forms of abuse that have the same goal at heart: the increase of status. Having been a revolutionary in a previous lifetime (I still have the snazzy looking beret), it appears to me that you're all trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Eliminate status, and you'll remove the motivations of those who abuse or at least occasionally spank the system. After all, the journey is the reward, so who needs all those evil trappings of status forced upon us by The Establishment? Rise up, citizens, and revolt! Well, those of you who aren't revolting enough already, that is. Remove the voting system, the membership level indicators and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society. And as someone with less class than most of you, I'll be happy to go first. You can remove my little gold medal and simply call me Fido. As long as the table scraps are worthwhile, I'll stick around.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
If I post a programming question, I want to know if I have an expert answering my question, or a novice. I don't want to spend hours on a suggestion by a novice that might not work when the answer from an expert will probably be right the first time. I think we are focusing on the Lounge, and not the programming boards. I am a regular, but I don't often post answers to programming questions. I read them to gain additional knowledge. People who come to CP for answers deserve to know where the answers are coming from.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
and all other outward appearances that prevent us from being one big classless society.
I for one do not want to be in the same classless class as those who shall not be named. The point of a class system is to recognize that there are people different from others. What you suggest is a homogenous melting pot that denies the inequality inherent in all human beings and that, for better or worse, makes life interesting. The problem is not the class system, but the value people assign to different classes. I think it's important to recognize differences between people and to classify those differences, but we naturally tend to place value on those classes that we create around us. So in the end, a classless society denies our differences as a group and a classfull society creates a twisted value system that results in absurd behavior (manifested in its extreme by war). Marc
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All your base are belong to me.
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I suggest that everyone in the Atlanta region be put on a tier higher than the rest of the CPians. We deserve it for sure! :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I suggest that everyone in the Atlanta region be put on a tier higher than the rest of the CPians. We deserve it for sure!
Ahem! Mr. #2 author. ;P (ah yes, well, I don't have a book. ookkay. That counts for something, I suppose.) Marc
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Wow! For a new member to understand and appreciate this post, you are either super intelligent or Kyle.
Regards Rama Krishna.:rose: I know the CPians are making fun. Let them Enjoy by voting One. - Satips
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If I post a programming question, I want to know if I have an expert answering my question, or a novice. I don't want to spend hours on a suggestion by a novice that might not work when the answer from an expert will probably be right the first time. I think we are focusing on the Lounge, and not the programming boards. I am a regular, but I don't often post answers to programming questions. I read them to gain additional knowledge. People who come to CP for answers deserve to know where the answers are coming from.
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
But Leckey, the class system (bronze,silver gold, etc.) doesn't help with that (unless you only count platinum answers). Gold is no indicator of skill, just the ability to click "post message", and/or still being able to log on to that half-decade old account. And even platinum could have achieved the status with 25 really crappy articles.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I suggest that everyone in the Atlanta region be put on a tier higher than the rest of the CPians. We deserve it for sure!
Ahem! Mr. #2 author. ;P (ah yes, well, I don't have a book. ookkay. That counts for something, I suppose.) Marc
Not having a book just means you have to use something else when your dining room table is wobbly. :)
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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But Leckey, the class system (bronze,silver gold, etc.) doesn't help with that (unless you only count platinum answers). Gold is no indicator of skill, just the ability to click "post message", and/or still being able to log on to that half-decade old account. And even platinum could have achieved the status with 25 really crappy articles.
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But Leckey, the class system (bronze,silver gold, etc.) doesn't help with that (unless you only count platinum answers). Gold is no indicator of skill, just the ability to click "post message", and/or still being able to log on to that half-decade old account. And even platinum could have achieved the status with 25 really crappy articles.
True, but I tend to look at what made up that status...is it mostly posts (like me) or articles? Of course I've been here long enough now to know who 'the experts' are. Maybe have an extra credential that is voted on by top CPians (expert knowledge wise) that basically says, 'we certify this member knows their sh*t.'
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
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If I post a programming question, I want to know if I have an expert answering my question, or a novice. I don't want to spend hours on a suggestion by a novice that might not work when the answer from an expert will probably be right the first time. I think we are focusing on the Lounge, and not the programming boards. I am a regular, but I don't often post answers to programming questions. I read them to gain additional knowledge. People who come to CP for answers deserve to know where the answers are coming from.
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
leckey wrote:
I don't often post answers to programming questions
But you sure can b*tch slap someone who cares not a jot for the rules. You are certainly one person I'd rather have on my side. You are a fearsome opponent and you don't take crap from anyone. Remind me never to get in your bad books.
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Unfortunately, I fear that any system based on voting could be abused. Article ratings are frequently distorted in strange ways, and bad answers sometimes get unfathomable 5's while perfectly good ones are down voted. I don't have a suggestion, but wonder if understanding the imperfections of the current system isn't just as suitable a solution as might result from a change...
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This is what happens when you forget the little joke icon on the initial post. :)
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