Do you believe in ghosts?
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I, personally, don’t know if ghosts exist or not, despite some anecdotal evidence that is purely conjecture from a residence where there was a feeling of an “other wordily” presence. This was a very old house (mud and stone construction) and the presence was felt by other inhabitants of the house as well. I mentioned it and there was immediate recognition that it was a female presence without my mentioning that. Strange! Anyway, the incident I am thinking of involves my wife, her father and a villager who in despair decided to end it all. He was an affable fellow, at least that was his outward appearance, but things got to be too much and he hanged himself. Unfortunately, my wife’s cousin came across his dead body hanging from an electrical pylon when she went out to feed the ducks one morning. Funeral rites were held and his body was cremated, in the Buddhist tradition. As a bit of background, the village is predominately Khmer, and some traditions predate Buddhism, and can best be described as animist. My house is on the edge of the village and on a typical day there are more, many more, buffalo and cows pass my house than cars or motorcycles. All of the animal traffic and most of the mechanized traffic occurs during daylight hours as the herds are moved from the barn to the grazing areas during the day and back in the evening. After this fellow decided to end it all there are no cars or motorcycles that pass after dark. Not that there were many before, but now there are none! When asked my wife she told me that people don’t come this way because of the ghosts! In fact her father doesn’t come over to watch TV in the dark any more because of the ghosts. My wife now asks me to accompany her when she goes out to the “Hong Nam” (toilet/bath house) to take a “shower” (bird bath) after dark. I asked why she wanted me to accompany her and her response was “aren’t you afraid of the ghosts?” [specifically this tortured soul that recently hung himself]”. She was appalled when I answered that “no I wasn’t” and that if he wanted to visit and have a drink I would be happy to drink with him. By way of background, we have 2 spirit houses (Katum Ta (Grandfather's Hut); in Khmer) on the property; one for our ancestors and one for any wandering, or traveling, spirits who need a place to stay. I told her that we -- me and this fellow -- were friends in life (we were cordial and did share many drinks in friendship when he was alive) so I didn’t fear him in the afterlife. My wife freaked
No. But I have heard some incidents which are very difficult to explain, and I'm open minded enough to consider that we don't know enough yet about the nature of consciousness to rule out the possibility that it might be capable of existence in some other kind of as yet unknown matrix within the universe other than a biologically produced mind (whatever that is).
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
No I don't.
That's not very patriotic. After all, November 2nd is a (de facto) national holiday. :-D
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The best thing about Nov. 2? free day at school! :-D
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
No I don't.
Then i'll bet i get a better score in Pacman...
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Running away from them?? I don't think so, I'll face and eat them :-D
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
No I don't.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
But who knows, there might be actually some truth into it.
Wise man!
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
No I don't.
I am not quite sure based on the incident I described in the old house and other phenomena I have felt over the years. I don't necessarily believe, but I don't disbelieve either. I guess I can be characterized as agnostic.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Is your wife Buddhist? and are you?
My wife is very definitely Buddhist (Theravadan), but there are these animist beliefs that are also present. My favorite "holiday" (non Buddhist) is when we gather once a year as a family and each person speaks a testament to a dearly departed ancestor and then with much fanfare we all drink a toast to that person. Needless to say this is a very festive experience after a few drinks. We even offer whiskey, amongst other things (brought out to and left as offerings at the Kathum Ta), to our ancestral spirits.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Or if your wife and her family are from that town (and you are not), it may be a local tradition.
It seems to transcend just the local area. After the Tsnaumi there were reports that Asians would not return to the area for many years because of the fear of ghosts.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
But who knows, there might be actually some truth into it.
That is my feelings, I really don't know.
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It seems to transcend just the local area. After the Tsnaumi there were reports that Asians would not return to the area for many years because of the fear of ghosts.
Or probably, rather that the same tradition, they were different, similar traditions, in which people of each town had their own stories about ghosts and dead people. I find it hard to happen in a big city, but I bet many little towns around the world, and not just in Asia, have some kind of ghost-related legend.
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I, personally, don’t know if ghosts exist or not, despite some anecdotal evidence that is purely conjecture from a residence where there was a feeling of an “other wordily” presence. This was a very old house (mud and stone construction) and the presence was felt by other inhabitants of the house as well. I mentioned it and there was immediate recognition that it was a female presence without my mentioning that. Strange! Anyway, the incident I am thinking of involves my wife, her father and a villager who in despair decided to end it all. He was an affable fellow, at least that was his outward appearance, but things got to be too much and he hanged himself. Unfortunately, my wife’s cousin came across his dead body hanging from an electrical pylon when she went out to feed the ducks one morning. Funeral rites were held and his body was cremated, in the Buddhist tradition. As a bit of background, the village is predominately Khmer, and some traditions predate Buddhism, and can best be described as animist. My house is on the edge of the village and on a typical day there are more, many more, buffalo and cows pass my house than cars or motorcycles. All of the animal traffic and most of the mechanized traffic occurs during daylight hours as the herds are moved from the barn to the grazing areas during the day and back in the evening. After this fellow decided to end it all there are no cars or motorcycles that pass after dark. Not that there were many before, but now there are none! When asked my wife she told me that people don’t come this way because of the ghosts! In fact her father doesn’t come over to watch TV in the dark any more because of the ghosts. My wife now asks me to accompany her when she goes out to the “Hong Nam” (toilet/bath house) to take a “shower” (bird bath) after dark. I asked why she wanted me to accompany her and her response was “aren’t you afraid of the ghosts?” [specifically this tortured soul that recently hung himself]”. She was appalled when I answered that “no I wasn’t” and that if he wanted to visit and have a drink I would be happy to drink with him. By way of background, we have 2 spirit houses (Katum Ta (Grandfather's Hut); in Khmer) on the property; one for our ancestors and one for any wandering, or traveling, spirits who need a place to stay. I told her that we -- me and this fellow -- were friends in life (we were cordial and did share many drinks in friendship when he was alive) so I didn’t fear him in the afterlife. My wife freaked
I have reasonable doubts about ghosts because I respect science, but I tend to believe in them more than not. The main reason I tend to believe in ghosts is the large body of historical accounts, and the seemingly preposterous ways that disbelievers try to dismiss the reports out of hand. For instance, a couple of years ago I read a report about someone who said he was standing in his bathroom when suddenly he was shoved violently by an unseen force. Critics said that he simply had a muscle spasm. This is what I mean by preposterous. Anyone who has actually had a muscle spasm knows that it is possible to tell the difference between it and a push from an outside force. There was also a lot of other unexplained activity surrounding that case, so it's not like that was the only incident.
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I, personally, don’t know if ghosts exist or not, despite some anecdotal evidence that is purely conjecture from a residence where there was a feeling of an “other wordily” presence. This was a very old house (mud and stone construction) and the presence was felt by other inhabitants of the house as well. I mentioned it and there was immediate recognition that it was a female presence without my mentioning that. Strange! Anyway, the incident I am thinking of involves my wife, her father and a villager who in despair decided to end it all. He was an affable fellow, at least that was his outward appearance, but things got to be too much and he hanged himself. Unfortunately, my wife’s cousin came across his dead body hanging from an electrical pylon when she went out to feed the ducks one morning. Funeral rites were held and his body was cremated, in the Buddhist tradition. As a bit of background, the village is predominately Khmer, and some traditions predate Buddhism, and can best be described as animist. My house is on the edge of the village and on a typical day there are more, many more, buffalo and cows pass my house than cars or motorcycles. All of the animal traffic and most of the mechanized traffic occurs during daylight hours as the herds are moved from the barn to the grazing areas during the day and back in the evening. After this fellow decided to end it all there are no cars or motorcycles that pass after dark. Not that there were many before, but now there are none! When asked my wife she told me that people don’t come this way because of the ghosts! In fact her father doesn’t come over to watch TV in the dark any more because of the ghosts. My wife now asks me to accompany her when she goes out to the “Hong Nam” (toilet/bath house) to take a “shower” (bird bath) after dark. I asked why she wanted me to accompany her and her response was “aren’t you afraid of the ghosts?” [specifically this tortured soul that recently hung himself]”. She was appalled when I answered that “no I wasn’t” and that if he wanted to visit and have a drink I would be happy to drink with him. By way of background, we have 2 spirit houses (Katum Ta (Grandfather's Hut); in Khmer) on the property; one for our ancestors and one for any wandering, or traveling, spirits who need a place to stay. I told her that we -- me and this fellow -- were friends in life (we were cordial and did share many drinks in friendship when he was alive) so I didn’t fear him in the afterlife. My wife freaked
JimmyRopes wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts?
No chance. I also don't believe in seances, clairvoyants, fortune tellers, or anyone else who seeks to steal the money of the feeble minded. It's all rubbish, as far as I am concerned. No offence to your wife.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I have reasonable doubts about ghosts because I respect science, but I tend to believe in them more than not. The main reason I tend to believe in ghosts is the large body of historical accounts, and the seemingly preposterous ways that disbelievers try to dismiss the reports out of hand. For instance, a couple of years ago I read a report about someone who said he was standing in his bathroom when suddenly he was shoved violently by an unseen force. Critics said that he simply had a muscle spasm. This is what I mean by preposterous. Anyone who has actually had a muscle spasm knows that it is possible to tell the difference between it and a push from an outside force. There was also a lot of other unexplained activity surrounding that case, so it's not like that was the only incident.
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You have to realise that memory is subjective. Someone who is inclined to believe in ghosts, will be inclined to remember that they were shoved.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts?
No chance. I also don't believe in seances, clairvoyants, fortune tellers, or anyone else who seeks to steal the money of the feeble minded. It's all rubbish, as far as I am concerned. No offence to your wife.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
No offence to your wife
No offense taken. She comes from a very spiritual culture that believe a lot of things that an outsider might question. I just wondered how people felt about ghosts.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No offence to your wife
No offense taken. She comes from a very spiritual culture that believe a lot of things that an outsider might question. I just wondered how people felt about ghosts.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesOK, cool. My wife is also a 'believer'. She just shrieks 'cynical' whenever I try to discuss it with her, and tells me all sorts of implausible tales about her mothers visits to clairvoyants. It's being subjected to this drivel that leaves me with strong opinions on the topic.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I, personally, don’t know if ghosts exist or not, despite some anecdotal evidence that is purely conjecture from a residence where there was a feeling of an “other wordily” presence. This was a very old house (mud and stone construction) and the presence was felt by other inhabitants of the house as well. I mentioned it and there was immediate recognition that it was a female presence without my mentioning that. Strange! Anyway, the incident I am thinking of involves my wife, her father and a villager who in despair decided to end it all. He was an affable fellow, at least that was his outward appearance, but things got to be too much and he hanged himself. Unfortunately, my wife’s cousin came across his dead body hanging from an electrical pylon when she went out to feed the ducks one morning. Funeral rites were held and his body was cremated, in the Buddhist tradition. As a bit of background, the village is predominately Khmer, and some traditions predate Buddhism, and can best be described as animist. My house is on the edge of the village and on a typical day there are more, many more, buffalo and cows pass my house than cars or motorcycles. All of the animal traffic and most of the mechanized traffic occurs during daylight hours as the herds are moved from the barn to the grazing areas during the day and back in the evening. After this fellow decided to end it all there are no cars or motorcycles that pass after dark. Not that there were many before, but now there are none! When asked my wife she told me that people don’t come this way because of the ghosts! In fact her father doesn’t come over to watch TV in the dark any more because of the ghosts. My wife now asks me to accompany her when she goes out to the “Hong Nam” (toilet/bath house) to take a “shower” (bird bath) after dark. I asked why she wanted me to accompany her and her response was “aren’t you afraid of the ghosts?” [specifically this tortured soul that recently hung himself]”. She was appalled when I answered that “no I wasn’t” and that if he wanted to visit and have a drink I would be happy to drink with him. By way of background, we have 2 spirit houses (Katum Ta (Grandfather's Hut); in Khmer) on the property; one for our ancestors and one for any wandering, or traveling, spirits who need a place to stay. I told her that we -- me and this fellow -- were friends in life (we were cordial and did share many drinks in friendship when he was alive) so I didn’t fear him in the afterlife. My wife freaked
Norton Ghost was spooky enough. Does that count? I've terrified several times at the data-loss it has caused...
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I, personally, don’t know if ghosts exist or not, despite some anecdotal evidence that is purely conjecture from a residence where there was a feeling of an “other wordily” presence. This was a very old house (mud and stone construction) and the presence was felt by other inhabitants of the house as well. I mentioned it and there was immediate recognition that it was a female presence without my mentioning that. Strange! Anyway, the incident I am thinking of involves my wife, her father and a villager who in despair decided to end it all. He was an affable fellow, at least that was his outward appearance, but things got to be too much and he hanged himself. Unfortunately, my wife’s cousin came across his dead body hanging from an electrical pylon when she went out to feed the ducks one morning. Funeral rites were held and his body was cremated, in the Buddhist tradition. As a bit of background, the village is predominately Khmer, and some traditions predate Buddhism, and can best be described as animist. My house is on the edge of the village and on a typical day there are more, many more, buffalo and cows pass my house than cars or motorcycles. All of the animal traffic and most of the mechanized traffic occurs during daylight hours as the herds are moved from the barn to the grazing areas during the day and back in the evening. After this fellow decided to end it all there are no cars or motorcycles that pass after dark. Not that there were many before, but now there are none! When asked my wife she told me that people don’t come this way because of the ghosts! In fact her father doesn’t come over to watch TV in the dark any more because of the ghosts. My wife now asks me to accompany her when she goes out to the “Hong Nam” (toilet/bath house) to take a “shower” (bird bath) after dark. I asked why she wanted me to accompany her and her response was “aren’t you afraid of the ghosts?” [specifically this tortured soul that recently hung himself]”. She was appalled when I answered that “no I wasn’t” and that if he wanted to visit and have a drink I would be happy to drink with him. By way of background, we have 2 spirit houses (Katum Ta (Grandfather's Hut); in Khmer) on the property; one for our ancestors and one for any wandering, or traveling, spirits who need a place to stay. I told her that we -- me and this fellow -- were friends in life (we were cordial and did share many drinks in friendship when he was alive) so I didn’t fear him in the afterlife. My wife freaked
JimmyRopes wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts?
Yes. There is one Holy Ghost and uncountable ghosts. The ghosts are evil spirits and have nothing to do with the dead. This evils spirits tries to validate the concept of a dead becoming a ghost, and it a larger context, the concept of reincarnation. Your wife is not doing anything special, it is all over and even here in Japan when many pray to the dead. There is even a special holidays in August here in Japan for this, and you may see them holding pictures of the dead father/mother in such places as World/Olympic games, and I know the Indians will tell you more stories. Evil spirits are real, I am an African and had been in that circle. Normally, they do not have the right to hurt you, unless your cross their way. Your wife's family have sold their rights to them (your spirit houses etc), so just do not get involved with it. We have had a similar situation back home in a university student's room, where a student kill a lady, and dumped the body somewhere. For a long time, the room could not be used by any other student, they leave the next day due to what they experience in the room. The Christians on the campus prayed, and cleared the room of those spirits. Best regards, Paul.
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Norton Ghost was spooky enough. Does that count? I've terrified several times at the data-loss it has caused...
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code-frog wrote:
I've terrified several times at the data-loss it has caused
Ghosts in the machine. :-D
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts?
Yes. There is one Holy Ghost and uncountable ghosts. The ghosts are evil spirits and have nothing to do with the dead. This evils spirits tries to validate the concept of a dead becoming a ghost, and it a larger context, the concept of reincarnation. Your wife is not doing anything special, it is all over and even here in Japan when many pray to the dead. There is even a special holidays in August here in Japan for this, and you may see them holding pictures of the dead father/mother in such places as World/Olympic games, and I know the Indians will tell you more stories. Evil spirits are real, I am an African and had been in that circle. Normally, they do not have the right to hurt you, unless your cross their way. Your wife's family have sold their rights to them (your spirit houses etc), so just do not get involved with it. We have had a similar situation back home in a university student's room, where a student kill a lady, and dumped the body somewhere. For a long time, the room could not be used by any other student, they leave the next day due to what they experience in the room. The Christians on the campus prayed, and cleared the room of those spirits. Best regards, Paul.
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Very interesting.
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You have to realise that memory is subjective. Someone who is inclined to believe in ghosts, will be inclined to remember that they were shoved.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Well, with all due respect, I don't understand this logic. When something physically upsetting happens, you're normally able to tell yourself what you think happened within just a few seconds of the event. If the person believed he was pushed from the very instant that it happened, where does the subjectivity of memory come into play here?
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
No I don't.
I am not quite sure based on the incident I described in the old house and other phenomena I have felt over the years. I don't necessarily believe, but I don't disbelieve either. I guess I can be characterized as agnostic.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Is your wife Buddhist? and are you?
My wife is very definitely Buddhist (Theravadan), but there are these animist beliefs that are also present. My favorite "holiday" (non Buddhist) is when we gather once a year as a family and each person speaks a testament to a dearly departed ancestor and then with much fanfare we all drink a toast to that person. Needless to say this is a very festive experience after a few drinks. We even offer whiskey, amongst other things (brought out to and left as offerings at the Kathum Ta), to our ancestral spirits.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Or if your wife and her family are from that town (and you are not), it may be a local tradition.
It seems to transcend just the local area. After the Tsnaumi there were reports that Asians would not return to the area for many years because of the fear of ghosts.
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
But who knows, there might be actually some truth into it.
That is my feelings, I really don't know.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
My favorite "holiday" (non Buddhist) is when we gather once a year as a family and each person speaks a testament to a dearly departed ancestor and then with much fanfare we all drink a toast to that person.
I've never heard of this one! What's it called? BTW, sounds like you're back in the LOS?
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts?
Yes. There is one Holy Ghost and uncountable ghosts. The ghosts are evil spirits and have nothing to do with the dead. This evils spirits tries to validate the concept of a dead becoming a ghost, and it a larger context, the concept of reincarnation. Your wife is not doing anything special, it is all over and even here in Japan when many pray to the dead. There is even a special holidays in August here in Japan for this, and you may see them holding pictures of the dead father/mother in such places as World/Olympic games, and I know the Indians will tell you more stories. Evil spirits are real, I am an African and had been in that circle. Normally, they do not have the right to hurt you, unless your cross their way. Your wife's family have sold their rights to them (your spirit houses etc), so just do not get involved with it. We have had a similar situation back home in a university student's room, where a student kill a lady, and dumped the body somewhere. For a long time, the room could not be used by any other student, they leave the next day due to what they experience in the room. The Christians on the campus prayed, and cleared the room of those spirits. Best regards, Paul.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
This evils spirits tries to validate the concept of a dead becoming a ghost, and it a larger context, the concept of reincarnation.
I too believe in the spirit world, but I have little use for extremely old dogma. Did you know that reincarnation was initially an official part of Christianity, until the Vatican arbitrarily chose to eliminate it?
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The best thing about Nov. 2? free day at school! :-D
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
free day at school!
And at work :)
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Paul Selormey wrote:
This evils spirits tries to validate the concept of a dead becoming a ghost, and it a larger context, the concept of reincarnation.
I too believe in the spirit world, but I have little use for extremely old dogma. Did you know that reincarnation was initially an official part of Christianity, until the Vatican arbitrarily chose to eliminate it?
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Richie308 wrote:
Did you know that reincarnation was initially an official part of Christianity, until the Vatican arbitrarily chose to eliminate it?
If you consider Vatican as practicing Christianity or having a right to add or remove from Christianity, then may be yes. I do not see any difference between what the Vatican does and what my now dead grandfather (an idol worshipper) was doing. It might interest you to know, I was borned in a so-called Catholic home but have accepted Jesus Christ as a personal Lord and Savior on account of my grandfather's crew. Best regards, Paul.
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No I don't think that there are Ghosts. But it does not mean that I can walk alone at mid night in a grave yard.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
ut it does not mean that I can walk alone at mid night in a grave yard.
I used to do that. While preparing for my college exam we(Me and a friend of mine) used to study late night. And after sometime around 2,3am we used to go outside to smoke. A graveyard was close to the house and we often used to go and sit there because that was a good place to go with super-calm atmosphere. I often used to go alone there as well when my friend wasn't with me. Those were the days....
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