C++ or ...
-
Start with OOAD.
The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog. -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]
-
hmm...so New1, New2, New3..they are your elder bros?
-------------------------------- txtSignature
-
You can start directly with C# no Problem. There are no depending things you must know to understand the "upper" language.
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Be a man and start with C++. After that, everything will seem easy sailing. Don't let the naysayers and pink-tutu-wearing-my-pretty-pony-lunch-box-carrying-little-girls convince you otherwise.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
-
Start with Assembly.:cool:
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
Might as well start with sticks and stones. ;)
-
Be a man and start with C++. After that, everything will seem easy sailing. Don't let the naysayers and pink-tutu-wearing-my-pretty-pony-lunch-box-carrying-little-girls convince you otherwise.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
-
Might as well start with sticks and stones. ;)
-
Jim Crafton wrote:
my-pretty-pony-lunch-box
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
Yes but do you *still* carry it to work now?
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
-
I'd start with 'use cases', sample programs that deal with generic libraries, data structures and both compile and runtime metadata. You will jump over the OODA trap in no time and master it better than any first-language-C#/Java programmer. Proof: they are rubbish at assembly, pointers to pointers (despite having a keyword for it) and love their class frameworks :-)
-
Yes but do you *still* carry it to work now?
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Here we go ago, go figure, trends...
Roger Irrelevant "he's completely hatstand"
-
Jim Crafton wrote:
my-pretty-pony-lunch-box
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
_____________________________________________ Flea Market! It's just like...it's just like...A MINI-MALL!
leckey wrote:
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
Yeah, but you're a girl. Real men carry My Little Pony lunchboxes.
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Well, it depends what you want to do. C# is easier to learn, and just as good for a lot of things, but C++ is more powerful, people can't read your code, etc. The main thing I'd say is, learn more than one language. Who says you can't learn both ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
-
Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.
I've started from BASIC for DOS many years ago. After that I've spend a lot of time with C and C++ developing Linux applications. This is hard job, but interesting. And after this work experience I had moved to .NET and C#. It was easy very much. I think you should start from C++ and also learn OOP/OOD. After this you will not have any problems with another languages.
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Forget learning MFC - there is nothing to learn from it except bad style. I would start by learning C from Kernighan & Ritchie. The language is simple with 32 keywords and is quick to learn. As well as several other languages being similar to it, the main advantage will be your gain in understanding of the stack and heap. It has been shown that good programmers have a consistent model of what a computer is doing to their program, whereas dodgy ones don't. Working with this book will help give you that model. The book is marvelously written and should instill you with an enthusiam for programming which you might not get from other texts. The managed languages hid most of this stack and heap usage from you but is very useful to know what is happening a little under the hood, so you can understand why performance problems occur, what the garbage collector is doing, etc. Type in and run the examples from the book and then do the exercises - it won't take long. Then learn something like Java or C# rather than C++. This will help with your design, imersing your in a more OO way of doing things than you would get from starting with C++, which is very powerful but, because it supports nearly all design and programming styles it is easy for you to go off in the wrong way, such as structural programming. Then you can learn C++ if you want more power, such as with generic programming, or even using the scoping style that C++ destuctors allow you. Avoid any book by Herb Schildt. Avoid the Java in a Nutshell books on O'Reilly. I haven't looked at the Petzold C# books but I would be wary based on his programming style from his Windows books. If you are going to learn C++ then Accelerated C++ by Andrew Keonig approaches the matter in a more modern style. You could then profitably read The C++ Object model by Stanley Lippman, assumming that you have read the Kernighan and Ritchie book. www.accu.org has a good book review list as well. regards, Andrew
-
leckey wrote:
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
Yeah, but you're a girl. Real men carry My Little Pony lunchboxes.
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
OK, so now that we are sufficiently on subject... If you study C#, what kind of lunch box? if (UseC++ == true) { Messagebox.Show("You have the Spiderman lunchbox"); } else { Messagebox.Show("You hunt and kill and eat raw meat.") } No time for lunch. The spice must flow!
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
You should start with Object Oriented programming basics (I think they have already advised you about that, with an obscure acronym). That's very important in understanding the logic of a lot of languages and architectures out there. I suggest you pick C# for the task. It has enough features to make you understand all Object Oriented programming and won't confuse you with obscure notations, nor it cause you lose time with copy constructors and garbage collection. Pay attention in the difference of value types and reference types, and what the ref does in a parameter declaration. When you feel comfortable, read also about garbage collection. It's not something you use often, but it's essential in understanding what happens underneath. But don't let people persuade you that you should learn C++ first to understand what happens underneath immediately. C# can do all that, and will guide you in a proper way from the basics to the advanced stuff, without finding yourself losing time with obscure memory leaks etc. Then see the new advanced features of C#. LINQ, and some python like features it has. They are a good introduction to other types of logic. I hope this helps. ;)
-
Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Hmmm, to be in a position where you want to start learning a language? That seems a very long time ago for me and was a mixture of brand new command line operating systems, front panel programming, BASIC interpreters, peeking and poking machine code into blocks of memory and then PASCAL. If I had my choice again, and from where I'am now I would learn C#, I've played around with it, don't use it and feel hemmed in by its formalised constructs, however you can do so much with it and it keeps you on the straight and narrow. Its where the big M is investing lots of its development money so climb on board that band wagon, I don't think you'll get frustrated by its limitations as we all did with languages in the early days. The true breadth of a language like C++ or C# is limited only by your imagination and your determination to understand someone else's code libraries. I have to admit to agreeing to some of the other comments, if you truly are starting from scratch its not a language you need to learn but a formal design methodology, use the language to exercise the method. for me its C and C++ all the way, there are only languages in the image of these two incredibly flexible build tools. @