Lotus or Outlook
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Lotus sucks.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
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I have used outlook for years now I use Lotus Notes . By comparison Notes is quirky and poorely designed . As a pure email client outlook is a lot better . But the ease at which Notes supports custom data sources is not to be dismissed even though it again is very quirky and cumbersome . At least you can have several data stores accessable from one place . Ok there are other ways of achieving the same thing but as a business the cost of replacing these data stores with some other solution is probably as or even more important than the pure email client side. If however you are only using it as an email client I would (licence fees aside) dump Notes and go with outlook.
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
I worked for a company that used Lotus instead of Outlook. I have no great love for Outlook, but Lotus Notes SUCKS big time. The servers (primary and backup) went down, we were with out e-mail for over a week. Had to negotiate contracts via our personal Yahoo and GMail accounts. Now for sure the server issue was partly because of our 'crack' staff, but a week? This is at a major company too! What a joke!
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I have used outlook for years now I use Lotus Notes . By comparison Notes is quirky and poorely designed . As a pure email client outlook is a lot better . But the ease at which Notes supports custom data sources is not to be dismissed even though it again is very quirky and cumbersome . At least you can have several data stores accessable from one place . Ok there are other ways of achieving the same thing but as a business the cost of replacing these data stores with some other solution is probably as or even more important than the pure email client side. If however you are only using it as an email client I would (licence fees aside) dump Notes and go with outlook.
Andrew Torrance wrote:
At least you can have several data stores accessable from one place
Absolutely true. That is one place, Outlook lacks severely. Today when I wanted to create two Notes profiles, it was refusing and 'Rocky' was barking. :-D
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
My condolences. Lotus Notes is cruel and unusual punishment and grounds for a "hostile workplace" lawsuit.
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Lotus is horrible.
BW
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Lotus Bloats? You have my deepest sympathy. I thought HAL had stopped developing/supporting Lotus-Bloat-ware? Outlook is far better and there are, I'm sure, other Open Source alternatives that must be preferable to that piece of execrable shite. Unless, of course, you've already invested millions and can't afford to back out...
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
We used to have nick names for Lotus Notes, like Klotus Notes, I'll let you guys figure out the meaning of 'klote' yourself. As a hint I'll tell you that it's Dutch! :D
Wout
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Lotus sucks.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
Lotus sucks.
...and blows, of course. X| X| X|
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
ssmerk007 wrote:
Do you like it or hate it?
Hating it doesn't quiet cover what I truly feel about it. :mad: Useless pile of crap, waste of poor electrons. It doesn't even do email very well, much less anything else... X| walks away grumbling profanities......
With respect, I must disagree. A quick look at middle management in just about any corporation shows that the dodo not only survived, it's reproducing in record numbers. Christopher Duncan
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Lotus does a couple of things better than Outlook, but stinks at everything else.
"I long for combat!" - Unknown Protoss Zealot
Jason Henderson
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We used to have nick names for Lotus Notes, like Klotus Notes, I'll let you guys figure out the meaning of 'klote' yourself. As a hint I'll tell you that it's Dutch! :D
Wout
It isn't repeatable in the Lounge. I remember reading that a Dutch driver was fined by a judge for shouting at the other driver that hit him. He called him a "klote zakken" (If I remember correctly)
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Lotus, used once, never again.
Roger Irrelevant "he's completely hatstand"
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
It's really a no brainer for me - Outlook every time. Bloated Notes just has way, way too many proprietary quirks for me. Unfortunately, it would be way to expensive to convert over to anything else for the really big companies - both in terms of software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does. Words cannot begin to describe how much I disliked using it. For simple email, I'd probably choose something like Pine over Notes if Outlook wasn't an option.
------------------------ Luke Lovegrove ------------------------
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Lotus is what happens to all the bad PCs that go to hell ... :rolleyes:
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
ssmerk007 wrote:
So what are you using?
Outlook client. Domino server.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Lotus is the leading edge scrap. Good that even if you are stranded in Domino domination, Outlook can give you a pleasant protection through its gentle 'Domino Connector', which takes all the pain-in-the-a** talking to Lotus.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
...Outlook can give you a pleasant protection through its gentle 'Domino Connector'...
Or a simple POP3 connection.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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I worked for a company that used Lotus instead of Outlook. I have no great love for Outlook, but Lotus Notes SUCKS big time. The servers (primary and backup) went down, we were with out e-mail for over a week. Had to negotiate contracts via our personal Yahoo and GMail accounts. Now for sure the server issue was partly because of our 'crack' staff, but a week? This is at a major company too! What a joke!
rollei35guy wrote:
Now for sure the server issue was partly because of our 'crack' staff, but a week? This is at a major company too!
It sounds as though it was all staff related. Our company uses Lotus Notes client and a Domino server. Except for updates, it never goes down. The administrator flys solo.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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It isn't repeatable in the Lounge. I remember reading that a Dutch driver was fined by a judge for shouting at the other driver that hit him. He called him a "klote zakken" (If I remember correctly)
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o, Dependency Injection with Spring ... "I wouldn't say boo to a goose. I'm not a coward, I just realise that it would be largely pointless." My website
Pretty close, it would be "klootzakken"! You'll be fined when saying it to the police. When saying it to the royal family, you're fined a bit extra.
Wout
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It's really a no brainer for me - Outlook every time. Bloated Notes just has way, way too many proprietary quirks for me. Unfortunately, it would be way to expensive to convert over to anything else for the really big companies - both in terms of software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does. Words cannot begin to describe how much I disliked using it. For simple email, I'd probably choose something like Pine over Notes if Outlook wasn't an option.
------------------------ Luke Lovegrove ------------------------
Luke Lovegrove wrote:
software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does
Does Outlook really need so much training? I think it is so easy, user-friendly, enticing, enchanting and enthralling right? :rose:
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