Lotus or Outlook
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I worked for a company that used Lotus instead of Outlook. I have no great love for Outlook, but Lotus Notes SUCKS big time. The servers (primary and backup) went down, we were with out e-mail for over a week. Had to negotiate contracts via our personal Yahoo and GMail accounts. Now for sure the server issue was partly because of our 'crack' staff, but a week? This is at a major company too! What a joke!
rollei35guy wrote:
Now for sure the server issue was partly because of our 'crack' staff, but a week? This is at a major company too!
It sounds as though it was all staff related. Our company uses Lotus Notes client and a Domino server. Except for updates, it never goes down. The administrator flys solo.
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It isn't repeatable in the Lounge. I remember reading that a Dutch driver was fined by a judge for shouting at the other driver that hit him. He called him a "klote zakken" (If I remember correctly)
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Pretty close, it would be "klootzakken"! You'll be fined when saying it to the police. When saying it to the royal family, you're fined a bit extra.
Wout
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It's really a no brainer for me - Outlook every time. Bloated Notes just has way, way too many proprietary quirks for me. Unfortunately, it would be way to expensive to convert over to anything else for the really big companies - both in terms of software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does. Words cannot begin to describe how much I disliked using it. For simple email, I'd probably choose something like Pine over Notes if Outlook wasn't an option.
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Luke Lovegrove wrote:
software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does
Does Outlook really need so much training? I think it is so easy, user-friendly, enticing, enchanting and enthralling right? :rose:
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
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We used to have nick names for Lotus Notes, like Klotus Notes, I'll let you guys figure out the meaning of 'klote' yourself. As a hint I'll tell you that it's Dutch! :D
Wout
Bloatus Goats.
Software Zen:
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Lotus does a couple of things better than Outlook, but stinks at everything else.
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Jason Henderson
Jason Henderson wrote:
Lotus does a couple of things better than Outlook
I can only think of two things: suck and blow. Lotus Notes is an abomination and an offense against God.
Software Zen:
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Thunderbird, it's passable but not ground breaking in any way. I used to use outlook but didn't use 99% of the features in it and didn't want it floating around my hard drive unnecessarily taking up space.
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ssmerk007 wrote:
Do you like it or hate it?
Hating it doesn't quiet cover what I truly feel about it. :mad: Useless pile of crap, waste of poor electrons. It doesn't even do email very well, much less anything else... X| walks away grumbling profanities......
With respect, I must disagree. A quick look at middle management in just about any corporation shows that the dodo not only survived, it's reproducing in record numbers. Christopher Duncan
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Bloatus Goats.
Software Zen:
delete this;That's worth a 5 too! :laugh:
Wout
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We used to have nick names for Lotus Notes, like Klotus Notes, I'll let you guys figure out the meaning of 'klote' yourself. As a hint I'll tell you that it's Dutch! :D
Wout
Ours was
LOTESUQ, our own condensation of "lotus notes sucks", always to be typed in all capital letters. Years ago the group I was in did a lot of Lotus Notes programming (before the server became Domino) and it wasn't uncommon to hear a random "LOTUSUQ!" outburst from a neighboring cubicle. -
Pretty close, it would be "klootzakken"! You'll be fined when saying it to the police. When saying it to the royal family, you're fined a bit extra.
Wout
It has been a while. I attempted to learn Dutch about 8 years ago. I could probably just about get by in a restaurant these days.
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Luke Lovegrove wrote:
software cost and re-training staff to use new software to cover everything that Notes does
Does Outlook really need so much training? I think it is so easy, user-friendly, enticing, enchanting and enthralling right? :rose:
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Does Outlook really need so much training? I think it is so easy, user-friendly, enticing, enchanting and enthralling right?
Nope, it shouldn't really need to much training (if any at all). Most people would use either Outlook or Outlook Express (aka. Windows Mail in Vista) at home, so they either use it already or something rather similar to start with.
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My company (70,000+ employees) is too cheap to go with Outlook, so they have a long standing contract with IBM to use Lotus Notes for all the messaging and calendar stuff. However, I prefer Outlook. So what are you using? Do you like it or hate it?
[ Don't do today what can be done tomorrow!! ;) ]
Here, it's really annoying. We all have a full MS Office installations (complete with Outlook), but we're stuck with using the Godawful, quirky, not-compatible-with-anything-at-all Notes. I dream of the days when I could just drag an e-mail out onto my desktop, or do one of the other 3,000 things that Outlook makes easy (and Notes makes nightmarishly frustrating).
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Amazingly you got a 5 without actually saying what you use. :) People must have assumed you were using whatever they hate.
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John Cardinal wrote:
Amazingly you got a 5 without actually saying what you use.
I think it was implied in the second line. Not really a secrete, I've complained loudly in the past about crapware notes. The five probablly came from Vikram, he and I have had good old b*tch fests about it. I would gladly put up with whatever issues Outlook has over notes...yes notes is that bad
With respect, I must disagree. A quick look at middle management in just about any corporation shows that the dodo not only survived, it's reproducing in record numbers. Christopher Duncan