12-21-2012
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Since there isn't a 21st month, I'm not worried.
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That better not be the last day! I'll be pissed if the world ends just a few days before I get my Christmas presents that year! :mad:
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Josh Smith wrote:
That better not be the last day! I'll be pissed if the world ends just a few days before I get my Christmas presents that year! :josh:
Think about it this way. You can skip buying Christmas presents in 2012 and party like its.... well, whenever. -- Lilith
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Pretty clever of them to predict this would be the date without knowing about the Gregorian calendar reform[^]
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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From what I have read, the Mayans didn't actually predict the end of the world. It is the end of their calendar. And, the date is in dispute - it is either 12-21 or 12-23, depending on what calendar correction is used. The History Channel is quite often just entertainment, not real history. I know their programs on Christianity (my area of interest) usually have factual error, but are entertaining for the target audience. Perhaps that is true for other areas they buy programs for. I also find it interesting that the Judaism & Christianity don't have any prophecy pointing to those dates, yet other prophecy of historical events in their canons has been accurate. I put the 12-21-2012 story in the same myth "lockbox" as global warming and Elvis sightings. Try this link for some more reasoned info on the date. http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686[^] I would think a more concerning "doomsday" indicator is that a company as large and as experienced as Microsoft stumbles with the bloated OS Vista that folks don't seem to want. If they can't get an OS right, what does that say about the future of the company? Hey, maybe 12-21-2012 is the day MS folds unless they get back to good OSs, products, and tools like they used to make.;P
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Pretty clever of them to predict this would be the date without knowing about the Gregorian calendar reform[^]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
They obviously didn't write down 12-21-2012. It's the winter solstice in that year. And others who were paying attention astronomically in ancient times would have come to the same date. On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact center of the galaxy. That's rare enough that you might just assume that something special was going to happen.
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jcdevnet wrote:
Mexicans
do New Mexicans count or are we forgotten by North, South, East and West alike?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
do New Mexicans count
Only if you like soccer... :laugh:
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El Corazon wrote:
do New Mexicans count
Only if you like soccer... :laugh:
A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine. Quanehsti Pah Nation States
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Only if you like soccer...
I don't jump for it... but I find it more entertaining than American Football. Is that close enough?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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They obviously didn't write down 12-21-2012. It's the winter solstice in that year. And others who were paying attention astronomically in ancient times would have come to the same date. On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact center of the galaxy. That's rare enough that you might just assume that something special was going to happen.
The sun actually crosses the galactic plane regularly (about every 33 million years, +/- 3 million years), and given the time it takes to transition the plane, it is noon a lot of places on earth, many times over, before the transition is complete. Given that scientisits are not in agreemwnt with the "when", I don't think one can narrow it down to a date and time. Not even the Mayans, who couldn't even foresee the future danger of the Spaniards. I wonder how the Mayans felt about illegal immigration at the end. ;) Besides, given the - pun intended - astronomical distances between stars, even the denser middle of the galactic plane doesn't significantly (or even measurably) change either the danger of collision with anything or effects of gravity from other star systems.
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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In the UK we write the day and month the other way around so I was quite hopeful when googling "21-12-2012" that perhaps we will escape this predicted disaster. Unfortunately not, it appears that we're doomed as well :sigh: It's a shame that the world isn't going to end before the 2012 London olympics... then we could cancel it and save ourselves lots of money to spend on a big end-of-the world party instead!
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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No man can know the end. I saw that same (sort?) of thins awhile back and thought it was especailly compelling. But I choose to still believe, that no man knows. It will be in a time that know one is expeciting it. There are times like that behind and many more ahead. Besides, do you really think that we don't go on, somehow, someway?
Shohom67
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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code-frog wrote:
ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot
The ancient WebBot? I didn't know the ancients had WebBots. I'm sure they were very primitive by today's standards :-)
code-frog wrote:
12-21-2012 being the "last day".
A bunch of people were saying that about the year 2000. Unfortunately I missed the opportunity to bet my life's savings against theirs that it wouldn't happen. Maybe I can do that in 2012 if I can find an Aztec or someone else who believes the world will end. I figure it's a pretty safe bet because we'll all be dead if I'm wrong anyway.
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Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Only if you like soccer...
I don't jump for it... but I find it more entertaining than American Football. Is that close enough?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Close enough! :-D
A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine. Quanehsti Pah Nation States
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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code-frog wrote:
Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date?
Whats real interesting is that it coinsides (sp?) with some other events NASA is predicting (well close enough) http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm[^]
Science @ NASA, March 10, 2006:
This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958. ... Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.
With respect, I must disagree. A quick look at middle management in just about any corporation shows that the dodo not only survived, it's reproducing in record numbers. Christopher Duncan
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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That is the new-age version of the "2k-phenomemon". I beleive that actually "something" will happen, but only for those who has the ability to see/hear/feel/taste/smell it. Not an apocalypse nor a cataclism or something. The fact that ancient cultures just cannot predict anything beyond that date, is because that: The can't predict more! The why is what we put, with our fears, prejuices, etc. Hans Baumann
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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HISTORY CHANNEL == DISCOVERY CHANNEL? I saw a few things on that station (when I finally relented and got cable a year or so, ago). The station is basically sensialized bull-turd. In particular, I saw a couple of shows where I really knew quite a bit about the subjects. They were primarily concentrating on those aspects that were sensational, marginalizing, when not outright neglecting, anything to the contrary. Reminds me of a Rupper Murdach "newspaper".
code-frog wrote:
while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it i
A little scary to think you'd accept it to even this extent! What would Nostrasdamous think?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Douglas Troy wrote:
How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11 or 11:11
For a while, I kept checking the time at 12:34.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
I kept checking the time at 12:34
That seems to happen to me alot :)
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I used to be certain that 2012 would bring the end of the world. But then that note by Newton predicting the world would not end before 2060 came out a few months ago. I let out a sigh of relief.
i actually have a root beer that i call my end of the world root beer that im gonna drink on 12 - 21 - 2012 so i hope newtons wrong cuase if its not then he didnt predict the end of the world just that its gonna happen after 2060 so i wont know when to drink another apocalypse root beer :( .
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The sun actually crosses the galactic plane regularly (about every 33 million years, +/- 3 million years), and given the time it takes to transition the plane, it is noon a lot of places on earth, many times over, before the transition is complete. Given that scientisits are not in agreemwnt with the "when", I don't think one can narrow it down to a date and time. Not even the Mayans, who couldn't even foresee the future danger of the Spaniards. I wonder how the Mayans felt about illegal immigration at the end. ;) Besides, given the - pun intended - astronomical distances between stars, even the denser middle of the galactic plane doesn't significantly (or even measurably) change either the danger of collision with anything or effects of gravity from other star systems.
Its supposed to be the movement through the galactic plane, co-inciding with jupiter & saturn lining up, this offsets the barycentre (centre of gravity) of the sun massivly (just the planets would do this) which increases sun-spot activity and therfore the likleyhood, size and number of mass coronal ejections (big solar flares), probably many times bigger than we have ever seen before. These are what cause the auras at the poles and the larger ones we have seen have taken out entire power grids. If one of these super big solar flares hits the earth you can be 100% sure there'll be alot of irradiated person lining the streets. If not it'll make for one fecking good light show and probably take out alot of the electronic infrastructure. I also remember reading that the mayan calendar long-count is supposed to have started when we last came through the plane, but that certainly wouldnt match up with 33 milion years. There are also several possible dates in december (12th,21st,23rd,24th, maybe more). If you really want more just 2012 google, you could read forever!
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Its supposed to be the movement through the galactic plane, co-inciding with jupiter & saturn lining up, this offsets the barycentre (centre of gravity) of the sun massivly (just the planets would do this) which increases sun-spot activity and therfore the likleyhood, size and number of mass coronal ejections (big solar flares), probably many times bigger than we have ever seen before. These are what cause the auras at the poles and the larger ones we have seen have taken out entire power grids. If one of these super big solar flares hits the earth you can be 100% sure there'll be alot of irradiated person lining the streets. If not it'll make for one fecking good light show and probably take out alot of the electronic infrastructure. I also remember reading that the mayan calendar long-count is supposed to have started when we last came through the plane, but that certainly wouldnt match up with 33 milion years. There are also several possible dates in december (12th,21st,23rd,24th, maybe more). If you really want more just 2012 google, you could read forever!
Jupiter and Saturn, while large planets, simply cannot exert enough force of gravity over that distance to cause solar flares large enough and powerful enough to cause the damage you describe. The planets were in such an alignment back on May 5, 2000 (a lot of folks predicted the kind of destruction you described), and nothing happened). You can see the planetary alignments at http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar[^] by typing in the date. I recommend a size of 640 or larger to make a clear view. As you will see, Jupiter, the Sun, and Saturn are not aligned. So far, I have not seen any scientific evidence that Dec 21, 2012 (or thereabouts) means anything significant.