(Paid) vacation time
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Having temporarily moved from Greece and France to UK, I can really feel the difference. I hope next year I will be in France...:rolleyes:
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A little bit misleading. For France it's said 30 days of minimum paid vacation days. In fact, this is 5 weeks of paid vacations, and because people generally don't work 6 days per week, it's 25 days and not 30.
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I wouldn't consider CNN to necessarily be a place with information you can trust but perhaps this one is right. I'm self employed and have been since 1996 so historically I never take any holidays off (or even weekends) but we've been working hard towards winter releases and this is the first summer I've taken off completely (June - September) which probably makes up for all those years of not taking days off. Now we have all our products and upcoming new products releases designed around that schedule so from this point on we will do major coding from September to April, do a releases in there as near to April as possible for the big stuff, do maintenance and bug fixes if necessary (there's always something after release that just has to go in there right away) and stop all development by June 1st, take the summer off to September and repeat. Of course the other sides of the business go on all year, but generally our clients are less busy in the summer so we get less support questions etc. It took a lot of years and hard work to get to the point where we can do that but it's all starting to pay off now.
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I like the way they fiddled the numbers for america to make it not last lol. The column is called "Minimum paid vacation days" but the note at the bottom for the US says: *** In the United States, federal law does not mandate pay for time not worked. Vacation policies vary widely, many organisations provide one week of vacation after six months of service, two weeks after one to five years of service and three weeks after five to 10 years of service. i.e. they don't have to pay your for vacation and they don't have to give you vacation ... with majority of the other countries (as far as I can see) the numbers are for the minimum legal requirement for paid holiday.
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When I worked in Amsterdam we had unlimitted sick leave but you had to get approval from your mamanger, ie if you rang up sick they could still tell you to come in, and they could also send a doctor of their choice to your home to check up on you.
In the UK we have 7 days in a row of "self certification" where you can just say your ill, after that you have to get a note from a doctor. I don't think theres a maximum overall number your allowed but obviously if your sick alot they will call in to question your suitability for the job.
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A little bit misleading. For France it's said 30 days of minimum paid vacation days. In fact, this is 5 weeks of paid vacations, and because people generally don't work 6 days per week, it's 25 days and not 30.
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Not to mention RTT or did they scrap that?
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'RTT' or 'Recupération de Temps de Travail' (work time recovery) is a compensation for extra-work (more hours worked than the legal definition). Instead of being paid, these hours are compensated by free time. So first not everybody is entitled to get some RTT, but also these days are not vacations but compensations.
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Legal minimum in the UK is at the moment 12 with 8 days public* - making the absolute minimum 20 days per year. My company gives us 25 days (plus p/hol) but allows us to sell down to the minimum of 12 or buy up to 35 (giving 43). I tend to cash mine in... * Next year the law changes next year to make the minimum 20 - apparently that's what the European minimum is, but the UK decided it is 20 include p/hols. About 6 months ago the EU told the UK it was wrong! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/6255699.stm[^]
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How did such a great news pass me!!! Ray, you are an angel!
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'RTT' or 'Recupération de Temps de Travail' (work time recovery) is a compensation for extra-work (more hours worked than the legal definition). Instead of being paid, these hours are compensated by free time. So first not everybody is entitled to get some RTT, but also these days are not vacations but compensations.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
I started with a 39 hour week, 20 something days paid leave, 10 or so national paid holidays, and then, one day, I had another 14 days paid leave called RTT. Its paid leave however you dress it up.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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I started with a 39 hour week, 20 something days paid leave, 10 or so national paid holidays, and then, one day, I had another 14 days paid leave called RTT. Its paid leave however you dress it up.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
29h? not 39h? - The legal duration is 35h/week.
fat_boy wrote:
20 something days paid leave,
It should be 25 days if you worked a full year between June, 1 and May, 31. If during this period you did not work that long for the same company, then you get a ratio of that.
fat_boy wrote:
I had another 14 days paid leave called RTT.
It varies from one company to another, I 'just' have 12 days/year. In my previous job I had none.
fat_boy wrote:
Its paid leave however you dress it up.
I'm not sure to understand this expression :~ Does that mean you are well paid or the opposite?
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Finland, here we come!
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I like the way they fiddled the numbers for america to make it not last lol. The column is called "Minimum paid vacation days" but the note at the bottom for the US says: *** In the United States, federal law does not mandate pay for time not worked. Vacation policies vary widely, many organisations provide one week of vacation after six months of service, two weeks after one to five years of service and three weeks after five to 10 years of service. i.e. they don't have to pay your for vacation and they don't have to give you vacation ... with majority of the other countries (as far as I can see) the numbers are for the minimum legal requirement for paid holiday.
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People have the opposite here in Australia (particularly when they work for government or big business), they have sick days each year (usually around 8 or so) that don't accumulate, so if you don't take your sick days, you lose them. The effect is that every month to six weeks, an employee will take a sickie (ie: use one of their sick days when they aren't really sick), so that they don't "lose" their sick leave entitlements at the end of the year. I think it works much better if people basically have an unlimited number of sick days available, but require a doctor's certificate each time they take one. That way they don't feel that they are "losing" something by not taking their sick leave, and have plenty of days available if they really need it. Of course, having my own business means that I have neither paid holidays or paid sick leave, but hey, that's the trade-off for the big bucks and flexibility... lmfao. D.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
but require a doctor's certificate each time they take one.
Well, first of all, I think it's legitimate to take a sick day for psychological/emotional reasons. Second, a doctor's note requires a doctor's visit, which here in the US costs a good deal of money. For example, a doctor's visit for the note (required by my gf's previous employer) cost a day's wages for her. Marc
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I just got back from a vacation where I spent 3 days in Helsinki & even before I saw the chart I fancied a move over there - now I especially do! An awesome place with awesome vacation times (although I hear the winters are particularly harsh.)
I'm just back from Finland too (Kotka). A great place and nice people, but the price of beer is way too high!! Lots of holidays but you can't afford to go to the pub... :-D
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15 days minimum in the US is BS. First off, if you even get 15 days, nowadays that's combined vacation/sick leave. If you're sick for 3 weeks, you get no vacation time. Furthermore, a lot of places don't even give you vacation time until you've been there 6 months. Then you're lucky if you get a week. Two weeks (10 days) is the norm, and you may get another week after you've slaved away for 3 years at the place. And don't forget not to get sick. But that explains in part why people come to work sick, because otherwise they have to take the time off unpaid (which many cannot afford) or take their vacation time to lie in bed and be miserable. Hence, the booming market of drugs to supress symptoms and quick fixes. X| Marc
I worked for a short time in New York where I was given 10 days annual leave, which would rise to 15 days after three years. In between projects, they pulled out a small-print clause that stated they could force me to take my annual vacation at any time. Anyway, I get a phone-call one Monday morning to tell me that my 10 days had just started.... ....in the middle of February. So, I got on a plane at Newark and flew back to good old Blighty never to return to the US. Escape From New York?:rose:
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061113093726.htm[^] And yet Canada ranks as the 10th happiest country, only 4 places behind Finland....must be something worthwhile up there... Meanwhile, my beloved, uptight, greedy USA maintains mediocrity in both lists.:mad: ...suddenly i'm tired...
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Ravi, You moved to Vietnam? whoops, didn't sort it. So Canada? But it sounds like no matter where you go its up to the employer. At 5 years I have 18 days vacation plus 9 holidays. It inches up every couple of years, and at 25 years we get 31 days + the holidays.
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Hahaha - yeah, good spot. Using the same criteria as everyone else, good ol' USA has 10 days mandated minimum holidays. Coupled with the excellent public healthcare & welfare system too. They've got it sooooo good over there... :~
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Hahaha - yeah, good spot. Using the same criteria as everyone else, good ol' USA has 10 days mandated minimum holidays. Coupled with the excellent public healthcare & welfare system too. They've got it sooooo good over there... :~
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Remember, You never hear old people say they wished they had worked more when they were younger..
"I wish I saved more" isn't an uncommon refrain though, and the way you do that typically involves working more or spending less (which translates to spending your vacation sipping beer in your backyard instead of rum in the Caribbean. EDIT: and at the point of not going anywhere on vacation you might as well just sell it back for more money in your savings account.
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Yeh, but you have to compare this table against a table of "How many days in the year you are forced to work for the government for free" - i.e. taxes. Also, vacation days are negotiable with your employer.
mfhobbs wrote:
"How many days in the year you are forced to work for the government for free"
don't worry, "green time" is getting more popular in the USA. It started with government contracts (lowest bid), where the company bids that their workers will each put in 1 hour a day for free. It is slowly spreading through other industries, manditory work without pay. :)
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