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Is Biztalk the most lucrative skill out there?

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    TechnoDev
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    The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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      The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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      David Wulff
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      If you can bare to work with them, you deserve to be well compensated.


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        The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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        Nemanja Trifunovic
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        Yep - I noticed that as well. BizTalk and SP consultants earn crazy money these days. However, in my opinion specializing for one particular product can be dangerous down the road. Look at Lotus Notes for example.


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          The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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          Lee Humphries
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          Don't know about now - The last time I touched BizTalk was back near version 1.0 (must always remember never to touch MS code until v3.0), it was a god-forsaken mess. I ended up writing a tool that hacked the workflow scripts in the background to make them do what they were supposed to. Also it didn't support XSDs then, and what it did have for schema definition MS had already labelled as an orphan that they weren't going to continue supporting - although I really had to search hard to find that out. However, these days it looks like the things been completely rewritten (twice!) so it might not be such a painful experience. Although at the time I was doing BizTalk work I was also writing massively recursive XSLT so my brain was kind of screwed anyway - perhaps you shouldn't take my advice ;) But if someone wants to pay me a high six figure sum for getting BizTalk to actually do what you want - then drop me a line.

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            If you can bare to work with them, you deserve to be well compensated.


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            Member 96
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            David Wulff wrote:

            If you can bare to work with them

            Nudity is a requirement? :~ Hmm..maybe I should get one of those high falutin biztalk jobs, I program in the nude all the time.


            "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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              The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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              Mike_V
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              I had to use it for an XML-to-database import, and BizTalk 2006 is a convoluted, slow, and bloated guano sandwich. :~ ;) Or so I thought until I looked at a book on BizTalk written for the previous version. By that standard BTS 2006 is actually good. It didn't help that what I needed to do was outside the scope of BizTalk. BizTalk is designed to automate the flow of data between different parts - receiving data, transforming it, and passing it on to something else. It's not designed to copy files, perform complex database queries in the process of transforming said data, etc. Perhaps salaries are so high for BTS experts because nobody would otherwise touch the software? ;P Mike

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                The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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                Don Burton
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                I work for a CRM company. Anything to do with Business Rules application and implemention commands high respect $$$.

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                  The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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                  Lost User
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                  try webMethods its better

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                    The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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                    Duncan Edwards Jones
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                    Not compared to Oracle performance tuning people...

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                      I had to use it for an XML-to-database import, and BizTalk 2006 is a convoluted, slow, and bloated guano sandwich. :~ ;) Or so I thought until I looked at a book on BizTalk written for the previous version. By that standard BTS 2006 is actually good. It didn't help that what I needed to do was outside the scope of BizTalk. BizTalk is designed to automate the flow of data between different parts - receiving data, transforming it, and passing it on to something else. It's not designed to copy files, perform complex database queries in the process of transforming said data, etc. Perhaps salaries are so high for BTS experts because nobody would otherwise touch the software? ;P Mike

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                      Andy Brummer
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                      You should have seen the Java applications it was built in response to. Ugh.


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                      • T TechnoDev

                        The reason I ask this question is because pretty much anyone who is using this tech at the senior level is in the six figure range. What is your opinion on this and also I hear that sharepoint is lucrative also..whats everyones take on this?Thanks

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                        David Crow
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                        The last time I messed with it was in early 2001. My company sent me and a few others to Redmond for a week of training with the MS folks. It was a very powerful tool, although it was not the tool for our job.


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                          David Wulff wrote:

                          If you can bare to work with them

                          Nudity is a requirement? :~ Hmm..maybe I should get one of those high falutin biztalk jobs, I program in the nude all the time.


                          "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                          El Corazon
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                          We obviously need female representation in biztalk experts here. :)

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                            David Wulff wrote:

                            If you can bare to work with them

                            Nudity is a requirement? :~ Hmm..maybe I should get one of those high falutin biztalk jobs, I program in the nude all the time.


                            "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                            David Wulff
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                            You probably won't believe me but I wrote that about five times switching back and forth to decide on which one was correct. :doh:


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                              You probably won't believe me but I wrote that about five times switching back and forth to decide on which one was correct. :doh:


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                              Well in this case bear means bearing down or bearing a weight as in "I don't know if I could bear the weight of working with it". If you think about it that way then it should help. Of course someone giving advice to a amateur male stripper at a gay strip club might say "It's easy really just bare it all and bear down for the bears in the audience". ;)


                              "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                              • D David Wulff

                                If you can bare to work with them, you deserve to be well compensated.


                                Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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                                Mark_Wallace
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                                David Wulff wrote:

                                If you can bare to work with them

                                I know you only need the computer training of a bricklayer's labourer to work with them, but do you really have to take your shirt off?

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                                  Well in this case bear means bearing down or bearing a weight as in "I don't know if I could bear the weight of working with it". If you think about it that way then it should help. Of course someone giving advice to a amateur male stripper at a gay strip club might say "It's easy really just bare it all and bear down for the bears in the audience". ;)


                                  "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                                  David Wulff
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                                  Hey, thanks John. I find little bits like that do help to remember the correct spellings. :cool:


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                                    David Wulff wrote:

                                    If you can bare to work with them

                                    Nudity is a requirement? :~ Hmm..maybe I should get one of those high falutin biztalk jobs, I program in the nude all the time.


                                    "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                                    code frog 0
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                                    So that's what you meant by taking the summer off?:-D

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                                      So that's what you meant by taking the summer off?:-D

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                                      Normally yes. Our entire property is heavily treed at the back and sides and we have this cloth stuff over the fence in the front areas where you can see in from the road. It's the stuff they put around tennis courts to block the wind but it also is a good screen so unless you cross the ditch and put your face up against it you can't see in. Anyone who wants to see me that bad gets what they get. :) Pretty much the entire summer I'm clothingless at home (with the single exception of a strategically placed sock; there are some areas I don't want to even contemplate burning), however this summer we have a guy building a gazebo over our hot tub so sadly it's not clothing optional the last few weeks.


                                      "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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