Vista Sucks
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
another as a default, mere mortal account that you can still run your debugger under
Can you run the debugger as a mere mortal with UAC turned "On"? I haven't tried it yet.
More to the point... Can you do anything with the UAC turned on?
Ninja (the Nerd)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
another as a default, mere mortal account that you can still run your debugger under
Can you run the debugger as a mere mortal with UAC turned "On"? I haven't tried it yet.
Yes, which was my primary justification for getting a Vista box. Of course, either way you need to run VS with elevated permissions.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Frankly, I had about the same opinion of XP
Must say I liked XP from the beginning but think Vista is poor.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure. However, functionally there's just not much new that it brings to the party other than security hassles. I have no doubt that over time I'll encounter the occasional incremental improvement, but that's not exactly what I have in mind for major version upgrades. Essentially, it's yet another eye candy release, much like XP was. At least XP had remote desktop, though, which was the only reason I upgraded my boxes from W2K. Other than the graphics, Vista has no serious functionality that really makes it worthwhile. I upgraded for the same reason most of their customers will - I had to. In my case it was because I'm in the business. For mere mortals, it'll be when that's what comes on their new machine. When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure. However, functionally there's just not much new that it brings to the party other than security hassles. I have no doubt that over time I'll encounter the occasional incremental improvement, but that's not exactly what I have in mind for major version upgrades. Essentially, it's yet another eye candy release, much like XP was. At least XP had remote desktop, though, which was the only reason I upgraded my boxes from W2K. Other than the graphics, Vista has no serious functionality that really makes it worthwhile. I upgraded for the same reason most of their customers will - I had to. In my case it was because I'm in the business. For mere mortals, it'll be when that's what comes on their new machine. When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure
Well. Uh. No. I mean. Well. No. I think it is uglier than a transvestite Barbie. The blurring-glass effect is distracting and ugly. The dark colours are typical of a techy using Photoshop. It is what I would have done to my blog three years ago, using Microsoft Paint and too much Alien Effect FX plugin. I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Yup. And when Microsoft's own best champions, its developers, switch to other systems (I switched to Mac OS X when I first saw Vista) you know it has problems too. I should be eating Vista up. But I'm not. I'm regurgitating it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I was so unenthused with Vista that I actually bought a Mac Mini. I must confess that I love it...I do, however, only use it as my home machine...so it does email, music, radio and DVD movies (I bought a brand new HP cinematic LCD display...)
73Zeppelin wrote:
I must confess that I love it
The best computer related act I did in the past two years was to get a MacBook Pro and use Mac OS X. Not even Ruby on Rails or JavaScript or TextMate or Backup Properly beats it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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How do you run VS2005 elevated (so I can actually get some work done)?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Right click icon/menu entry - select "Run as Administrator". That's what VS tells me to do anyway. :)
-- Secreted by the Comedy Bee
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Well, they put Vista on my box at my new job, and I gotta say I don't like it much. How do I turn off the cheesey eye candy animation crap?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Amen!
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I must confess that I love it
The best computer related act I did in the past two years was to get a MacBook Pro and use Mac OS X. Not even Ruby on Rails or JavaScript or TextMate or Backup Properly beats it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Have you had any experience with objective C? I was looking quickly at their XCode development environment and it seems rather interesting. I used to write code under Linux, but this Cocoa seems quite different. Unfortunately, it doesn't have widespread acceptance, but it looks interesting. I might play around with it as a hobby...
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Have you had any experience with objective C? I was looking quickly at their XCode development environment and it seems rather interesting. I used to write code under Linux, but this Cocoa seems quite different. Unfortunately, it doesn't have widespread acceptance, but it looks interesting. I might play around with it as a hobby...
No, afraid not. I am a web-developer. Funnily enough though I just got some Objective C and Cocoa books to see what I can do on the iPhone.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure
Well. Uh. No. I mean. Well. No. I think it is uglier than a transvestite Barbie. The blurring-glass effect is distracting and ugly. The dark colours are typical of a techy using Photoshop. It is what I would have done to my blog three years ago, using Microsoft Paint and too much Alien Effect FX plugin. I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Yup. And when Microsoft's own best champions, its developers, switch to other systems (I switched to Mac OS X when I first saw Vista) you know it has problems too. I should be eating Vista up. But I'm not. I'm regurgitating it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
Somehow, I think what Vista ended up looking like was supposed to be the shit-child concept that the company is supposed to reject outright, in an attempt to nudge them the direction you actually want to go. We do that sometimes; present our customers with a less-attractive option to 'encourage' them to select the one we know is technically superior. Once in awhile, we get bitten in the ass for it (mind you, I have nothing to do with making that policy). Seems like this is what happened to Vista..
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure
Well. Uh. No. I mean. Well. No. I think it is uglier than a transvestite Barbie. The blurring-glass effect is distracting and ugly. The dark colours are typical of a techy using Photoshop. It is what I would have done to my blog three years ago, using Microsoft Paint and too much Alien Effect FX plugin. I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Yup. And when Microsoft's own best champions, its developers, switch to other systems (I switched to Mac OS X when I first saw Vista) you know it has problems too. I should be eating Vista up. But I'm not. I'm regurgitating it.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
You have no idea how close to the mark that really is...
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Paul Watson wrote:
I cry to think of all the great designs the design agency must have floated past Microsoft before Microsoft went "Ooooh, we like the dark, techy, nerdy one" and then the poor design agency had mild heart attacks but resigned themselves to doing it based on the nice fat payment.
Somehow, I think what Vista ended up looking like was supposed to be the shit-child concept that the company is supposed to reject outright, in an attempt to nudge them the direction you actually want to go. We do that sometimes; present our customers with a less-attractive option to 'encourage' them to select the one we know is technically superior. Once in awhile, we get bitten in the ass for it (mind you, I have nothing to do with making that policy). Seems like this is what happened to Vista..
Patrick Sears wrote:
Once in awhile, we get bitten in the ass for it
Indeed. I got bitten with that just last month. Where do you work Patrick?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Well, Vista is pretty, to be sure. However, functionally there's just not much new that it brings to the party other than security hassles. I have no doubt that over time I'll encounter the occasional incremental improvement, but that's not exactly what I have in mind for major version upgrades. Essentially, it's yet another eye candy release, much like XP was. At least XP had remote desktop, though, which was the only reason I upgraded my boxes from W2K. Other than the graphics, Vista has no serious functionality that really makes it worthwhile. I upgraded for the same reason most of their customers will - I had to. In my case it was because I'm in the business. For mere mortals, it'll be when that's what comes on their new machine. When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
When customers only buy a company's new products when they're forced to, it's time to dump your stock and invest in someone else.
Well, how many people have ever bought a Windows upgrade? I certainly haven't. I doubt the average consumer has. They just use whatever comes with their new PC, as you've already indicated.
Kevin
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No, afraid not. I am a web-developer. Funnily enough though I just got some Objective C and Cocoa books to see what I can do on the iPhone.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
Funnily enough though I just got some Objective C and Cocoa books to see what I can do on the iPhone.
Yes, objective C and Cocoa look kind of interesting...I might mess around with them if I can find some spare time. Are you still in Ireland? Can you get the iPhone there? I'm heading to France and have to cancel my mobile phone service in Switzerland. I was curious about the iPhone... I haven't found a provider in France and wonder how widespread it is in Europe.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Funnily enough though I just got some Objective C and Cocoa books to see what I can do on the iPhone.
Yes, objective C and Cocoa look kind of interesting...I might mess around with them if I can find some spare time. Are you still in Ireland? Can you get the iPhone there? I'm heading to France and have to cancel my mobile phone service in Switzerland. I was curious about the iPhone... I haven't found a provider in France and wonder how widespread it is in Europe.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Can you get the iPhone there? I'm heading to France and have to cancel my mobile phone service in Switzerland. I was curious about the iPhone... I haven't found a provider in France and wonder how widespread it is in Europe.
It isn't officially available outside of the USA though if you buy one in the US and activate it there you can roam with AT&T in Europe. Saying that though just today I saw an iPhone working on O2 Ireland's network. I should have my iPhone working on O2 Ireland in the next few days too using the TurboSIM hack. It won't do the "visual voicemail" though as that requires carrier changes.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I used vista for about 3 hours, I didn't like it much either. Functionally, and as you said, the 'eye candy crap.' I still use the oldschool windows 98 theme. I don't really care for pretty colors, and all the other bells and whistles.
I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")
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Douglas Troy wrote:
Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for Windows Vista[^]
Does that actually fix the problem? It's still listed under "known issues" on the page discussing the VSSP1UWV. It's not clear (to my eyes) whether this continues to be an issue or whether it fixes the issue. Marc
I had been informed that this resolved the Admin problem with VS2005 under Vista. When I get into the office in the AM, I'll ask around and see what the new technology R&D guys have to say about it ... well, after I get them past the cussing and swearing about Vista in general ...
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
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Got that already. And I figured out how to "run as administrator", but vs2005 still tells me I need to run as administrator.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Hey John ... what about creating a manifest file on the VS2005 exe that requests elevated privileges? You'll still be prompted to "allow", but it's easier than right-click, "run as admin", then clicking "allow"... elevate execution level :..::. Douglas H. Troy ::.. Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTL
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Well, they put Vista on my box at my new job, and I gotta say I don't like it much. How do I turn off the cheesey eye candy animation crap?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001It is possible to install VS2003 on Vista?
petersgyoung
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Anton Afanasyev wrote:
On a side note, my main beef with Vista has been that it tends to "forget" the view settings that I set for folders, and keeps trying to guess them - which in turn shows me my folder full of code files with large thumbnails of them, and columns like "rating", "length", "artist", "year" and some such.
Yeah! WTF is that doing in a folder containing only source code? I've found that quite annoying. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to add that to my Vista section blog, if you don't mind. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm going to add that to my Vista section blog, if you don't mind.
Of course, go ahead! It sure is nice to have a compilation of useful Vista tips all in one place, such as you do.
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